Making 7 Cups Sustainable
7 Cups is a very unique organization. We dont necessarily do things in what might be considered normal or typical ways. Instead, we tend to stay close to our community, keep our options open, learn, and evolve as we grow. We believe that this model allows us to discover the path that will most directly lead to us fulfilling our mission.
Some companies would have started with revenue right at the beginning. We didnt because we thought that focusing on income at the start would force us down the wrong path. Our vision is to be the emotional support system for the Internet. This is a hard goal. Focusing on money right out of the gates would have made it an impossible goal. We knew that and instead poured our energy into figuring out more important things.
Well, now that weve been on this journey for 2 years, it is now time to address the revenue issue. We have to take steps to make sure that 7 Cups cups exists and, indeed, thrives for years and years to come. This is not something novel to 7 Cups. Every organization has to address the income issue. It doesnt matter if you are a for-profit or a non-profit. Regardless, you have to generate income one way or another if you want to continue to survive and grow.
Fortunately, we are not recreating the wheel here. I wrote in another post that the organizations I feel that we have the most in common with are the Samaritans and Alcoholics Anonymous. We share many similarities, including: we are volunteer organizations, we help millions of people, and people get help and then give back as listeners/counselors/sponsors. These organizations have had unparalleled success in reaching people and accomplishing a tremendous amount of good with very little resources. Theyve also been around for decades. In the future, Id love for someone to be able to say the same thing about 7 Cups. However, in order to be counted in their company, we have to make sure that 7 Cups is sustainable.
We can look further to these organizational models for guidance. The Samaritans are sustainable because they raise $11,000,000 in donations each and every year. That sounds like a lot, but I actually believe it is pretty minimal considering all the good that they accomplish. We can learn from them here and create our own ways for people to donate to 7 Cups. We are still fleshing out the details. Itll be 100% optional. If people believe in our mission/vision and want to support what we are doing, then well give them the option of making a recurring monthly donation.
We can also look to for for-profit models for guidance. Software companies generate income by selling products to consumers or selling products to organizations. At this point in time it makes more sense for us to sell products to non-profits, companies, universities, and health systems. One product weve been working on is the student support system. In this model, we create a little 7 Cups island that a university can use to scale support for their students. They brand it and recruit listeners from their school to listen to other students at their school that are going through a hard time. The plan is to have a free version and a premium version. The premium version would include things like access to data/reporting, single sign-on, paths for specific issues, and custom branding. This same model works for health systems and nonprofits. We havent walked too far down this path, but there are some positive signs and some indication that we can use this as one stream of revenue to keep 7 Cups sustainable. Ill write more on this in a separate post this week.
Im not at all interested in advertising or any other options that would tax the system or make it harder for people to seek help. Streams of revenue will always be evaluated in the context of our mission. If it inhibits us or makes it harder to reach our mission, then we will not consider it as a viable option. If it helps make us sustainable and helps us reach our mission, then well consider it a viable option. To be clear, 7 Cups will always be free and accessible to all.
In reviewing the above, we see that we can learn from and incorporate elements from both the non-profit and for-profit worlds. 7 Cups as a social enterprise for-profit straddles both worlds. I set 7 Cups up this way intentionally, because I want us to be robust and antifragile. If your organization only accepts donations, then you can be significantly impacted when there is an economic downturn like a recession or depression. People simply give less during these times. If we were 100% dependent on donations, then that would threaten our organization if we were unable to keep donations coming in at a reliable rate. On the other hand, if your organization only sells products, then you can only survive as long as people continue to buy your products. If 7 Cups were 100% dependent on selling products, then our organization would come under threat if we were unable to sell enough products. The model I have outlined here incorporates both elements to increase the chances of 7 Cups surviving and thriving in both good and bad times.
We will be releasing the new design very soon. Once that is live and working well, well roll out some of the above options that Ive discussed. Look for another post soon on the white label version I discussed where any organization can launch their own support system. Thanks!
I remember I already asked if there was a way to "pay" my listener or give any donation - at least for the site - because it was very helpful for me.
But I was told that was not possible. At this time I became a little paranoid, wondering how this site was funding if they do not accept any donation and has no ads ...
I thought they were selling my personal data or something... and why it was not specified in the TOS if they did it... But I decided to continue to use the site despite i was thinking it... telling me if it's what it allows me to use the site... I am ok with it.
And now you bring this post. It makes me smile, even if I feel bad that I had this thought.
For sure, I would be happy to have the possibility to give something in return of the help I received here, and mainly if I was able to choose the amount and/or the frequency, and there was no pressure on how much I can give or be judged on it.
And a small something to put on my listeners' profile, like @MikeMadrid said, could be very nice, because it is like dedicated directly to the specific person who helped me!
I'm glad you had a good experience with this @TortueDesBois .
Yes @TortueDesBois it has taken us a bit to get here. I'm glad you want to contribute. Stay tuned!
I'd like to see some community events for us late-night folks. Most of them are during hours I work so as much as I'd like to attend support sessions, working 3p-11pm means I miss out on many of them. It would be nice if we could have like, "bedtime tea support" or "late night support lounge" chat sessions for those of us who keep later hours.
@astuteScorpius, can you pm @Heather on this? She is great and works on our group support initiatives. Thanks!
There are discussion leaders, from around of world, and then in different time zone,
so maybe sse with the ones who are usually around on the rooms in your time (they have colors badges on the rooms). I'm sure some of them would be great with organizing a discussion in other times if they get requests for it. They try to put on different times for reach a maximum people, so I think PMing them could be a good way to let them know that there is a need for unusual times. ;)
Remember when some listeners charged varying rates? Also when you could tip listeners. If I had to pay I wouldn't come here. When I'm treated poorly at a business I don't return.
I don't believe members will be forced to pay at any point. Glen is speaking about receiving funding from other sources in order to keep 7cups free for those who need support as well as how they hope to be able to meet this.
7 Cups is not perfect, and they are always looking to improve it. It may seem like very little is done to address the issues that come up, but the staff are always working hard to make 7 Cups a better place. Fixes take a lot more time than we may believe because there is a lot more that needs to happen behind the scenes.
The goal of this post is exactly to find ways to fund the site for keeping the actual services free.
There was idea like voluntary donations, premium accounts (with more options for those, but without limit the actual services for those who don't take a membership), organizing fundraiser, buy decorations to put on profiles (100% facultative), merchandised (people can buy items, so again 100% facultative), etc...
Glen, you compare your idea regarding funding with that of Alcoholic Anonymous. AA is self supporting through its own contributions. No set dues, no required amount to attend. No one is turned away based on ability to pay. The basket is passed and people give what they can if they want to give. First priority should be appropriate training and timely response to issues. Maybe consider what is wrong with 7 cups and how to fix it before looking at funding.
@mutter3, it seems to me that what @glenM is discussing above is entirely consistent with "No set dues, no required amount to attend. No one is turned away based on ability to pay."
Are you reading something differently?
Yes Kite makes a great point also in suggesting being able to know what gender you are speaking to in addition to the age grouping that is already being discussed. Often that is one of the first things that is asked of me by most female members. They want to know if they are speaking to a female only. And want to feel safe doing that. I know I also as a member, would prefer to know who I am speaking with on certain topics. I don't feel it would be too revealing of our information to at be able to share what our genders are for our valuable members who want to know. Kite has really shared some fabulous ideas in this thread. I hope they are considered.
yes, we think as long as it is optional whether one wants to share this information or include it in search criteria, that it would be good to make that possible.
Just wanted to add that I would definently buy a 7cups tshirt, it would be great to support the site and also be able to let ppl who ask about it know that it exists!
I want a 7 Cups sticker for my laptop... still we'd have to outsource it all, hmm...
Product fulfillment of dry goods is not really core to our mission.
Maybe if the listeners got treated with equal leniency they would stick around and everyone would feel more human
What exactly do you need money for? Who would decide how this money is spent. Are your books going to be open to all for inspection. What about liability???
that's a lot of questions.
money is needed to pay for expenses, equipment, salaries, and other overhead costs associated with any business.
as @glenM is the founder and leader here ultimately the buck stops with him so to speak on any such business decisions.
I don't understand the liability question.
Only 4 questions. Not that many. So let me make sure I understand, Glen alone will decide how all revenue is spent. You didn't answer my question about accounting. The liability issue is this site is represented as a site for"counseling & therapy", therefore you are liable if something happens. For example one of you listeners tells a guest to commit suicide and they do, you are liable. I'm sure you are not pleased with my questions but I believe it is important to ask about these issues.
ah, I see where you're coming from.
no, I don't agree with any of your premises.
I don't believe you see where I'm coming from. All I have done is ask questions. I have not attacked anyone, haven't been rude. I have only been curious and tried to look at the changes from a different perspective. I do wonder why my questions upset you.
I'm not upset!
i simply didn't agree with some of the assumptions underlying your questions. I think Glen addressed those topics elsewhere in the thread.
@mutter3, Yes, I am responsible for how the money is spent and ultimately for all other aspects of the site. There is always a person in any organization, especially a small one like 7 cups, that makes purchasing decisions. That is how organizations work. As Krink indicated, the money will be spent to keep the service running; it'll help to cover staff and IT costs.. As you can imagine, there are a lot of costs involved with running a service like 7 Cups.
I answered your question about liability on the other thread where you brought it up. The suggestion there was that we had not thought through liability issues. I answered you that indeed we had spent a lot of time thinking about liability issues. We consulted with a number of attorneys before even starting 7 cups to make sure that we could address liability issues in a strong manner. We implemented those suggestions and that is what you see now at 7 Cups. In terms of differentiating between listening and online therapy, you are correct, we do talk about both listening and online therapy, because we have both listeners and therapists on the site. In the near future, we'll be adding a therapist directory, so that therapists can found both on 7 cups and off of 7 cups. If you have additional specific liability questions, please PM me.
Krink didn't understand the liability issue. Perhaps this should have been sent to him. I never suggested you hadn't thought about liability issue I only asked if you had considered it. I do understand how companies work. I was curious if you alone ran this company or had a board.Will this company be a 501c or a for profit? I don't believe I have done anything wrong by asking questions. As far as pm'ing you that has proven to be unsuccessful. I am curious why people are upset that I asked questions.Are questions against site rules?? Feel free to message me anytime.
@mutter3 questions are welcome and are often very helpful. However, as you know, questions can be asked in a neutral manner or in a manner that suggests a person isn't really asking a question, but rather implying something. For context, this is what you said in the other thread:
"How will you handle liability issues? You are essentially providing counseling by unlicensed people. One malpractice suit and 7 cups is done. The chat rooms are basically the day room of the psych ward meets the internet. Not trying to be negative but you need to consider this. From what I have read I am very concerned. Things on the surface sound good but have you really thought about some of the underlying issues??
How do you interpret what you wrote?
I am a middle aged adult who has worked in the private sector , for non profit oorganizations, have been self employed and started and ran my own nonprofit for 15 years. So I have extensive training in business. I also wrote many grants and was able to secure large sums of money for the 501c organizations. Therefore I was quite curious as to where you were going, and would have different questions than most. I'm sure you understand that communication involves more than just words,especially written words. When you read text you miss out on inflection, facial expressions and body language. I believe you have misunderstood me greatly, as well as misjudged me. When I have something to say I say it very clearly. I have no need to imply anything.Yes, many times chat resembles the day room in a psych unit. Spend some time in chat and I believe this will be very apparant. Look at my history on your site. I believe it speaks for itself. In 18 months I have never been muted and have only received one warning. The question now is where do we go from here?
I didn't understand your question, nor its thrust. I understand what liability means.
Elsewhere in this thread, among other places, @glenM has addressed the topic of why we are not, and do not plan to become, a non-profit (501c3 being one such type of nonprofit in the US).
@KrinkTheMellowUnicorn
most charities have an annual general meeting in which there's usually a page by the treasurer which lays out what goes in each year and then a breakdown of how it's spent! The web site has to be bought, there's a cost to maintain it, and the redesign and making capacity better won't have been completely free! Be realistic this has to be some peoples full time job! Otherwise everything you see here couldn't exist!
Not sure if you guys already do this, but could you make stickers of your logo and sell them or hand them out to colleges? It'll spread the awareness of your site like wildfire.
Maybe sell them for a dollar each. You'll get fundings AND spread the site.
I'm relatively new to the site so I'm still finding out about all the nifty things around the page.
I've talked to a few people and I can see that some people may need a sympathy workshop or something.. to better connect with people and to help them out. I'm not sure if you guys already do this with the listeners.
Also, I love that theres an internship type thing for psychology students. I might check into that after I get my bachelor's degree.
I love your idea! It definitely will help spread information. The only thing I'm not sure of is selling it for a dollar- I know when I was in college, this is not something I'd spend a dollar on. A dollar for a logo of something would mean it had better be a really cool logo or benefit some cause or something. That dollar could go towards food or fun instead, so I was choosy about what logo stuff I spent money on.
Very good point. Maybe put a donations jar beside the stickers? That way whoever gets a sticker wouldnt feel like they have to make a donation. But yeah, anything with the 7cups logo would help out the site a lot. :)
Get investors maybe? Partners? And then remove the addthis, and other marketing/analytics in the site?