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Making 7 Cups Sustainable

GlenM September 22nd, 2015
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7 Cups is a very unique organization. We dont necessarily do things in what might be considered normal or typical ways. Instead, we tend to stay close to our community, keep our options open, learn, and evolve as we grow. We believe that this model allows us to discover the path that will most directly lead to us fulfilling our mission.

Some companies would have started with revenue right at the beginning. We didnt because we thought that focusing on income at the start would force us down the wrong path. Our vision is to be the emotional support system for the Internet. This is a hard goal. Focusing on money right out of the gates would have made it an impossible goal. We knew that and instead poured our energy into figuring out more important things.

Well, now that weve been on this journey for 2 years, it is now time to address the revenue issue. We have to take steps to make sure that 7 Cups cups exists and, indeed, thrives for years and years to come. This is not something novel to 7 Cups. Every organization has to address the income issue. It doesnt matter if you are a for-profit or a non-profit. Regardless, you have to generate income one way or another if you want to continue to survive and grow.

Fortunately, we are not recreating the wheel here. I wrote in another post that the organizations I feel that we have the most in common with are the Samaritans and Alcoholics Anonymous. We share many similarities, including: we are volunteer organizations, we help millions of people, and people get help and then give back as listeners/counselors/sponsors. These organizations have had unparalleled success in reaching people and accomplishing a tremendous amount of good with very little resources. Theyve also been around for decades. In the future, Id love for someone to be able to say the same thing about 7 Cups. However, in order to be counted in their company, we have to make sure that 7 Cups is sustainable.

We can look further to these organizational models for guidance. The Samaritans are sustainable because they raise $11,000,000 in donations each and every year. That sounds like a lot, but I actually believe it is pretty minimal considering all the good that they accomplish. We can learn from them here and create our own ways for people to donate to 7 Cups. We are still fleshing out the details. Itll be 100% optional. If people believe in our mission/vision and want to support what we are doing, then well give them the option of making a recurring monthly donation.

We can also look to for for-profit models for guidance. Software companies generate income by selling products to consumers or selling products to organizations. At this point in time it makes more sense for us to sell products to non-profits, companies, universities, and health systems. One product weve been working on is the student support system. In this model, we create a little 7 Cups island that a university can use to scale support for their students. They brand it and recruit listeners from their school to listen to other students at their school that are going through a hard time. The plan is to have a free version and a premium version. The premium version would include things like access to data/reporting, single sign-on, paths for specific issues, and custom branding. This same model works for health systems and nonprofits. We havent walked too far down this path, but there are some positive signs and some indication that we can use this as one stream of revenue to keep 7 Cups sustainable. Ill write more on this in a separate post this week.

Im not at all interested in advertising or any other options that would tax the system or make it harder for people to seek help. Streams of revenue will always be evaluated in the context of our mission. If it inhibits us or makes it harder to reach our mission, then we will not consider it as a viable option. If it helps make us sustainable and helps us reach our mission, then well consider it a viable option. To be clear, 7 Cups will always be free and accessible to all.

In reviewing the above, we see that we can learn from and incorporate elements from both the non-profit and for-profit worlds. 7 Cups as a social enterprise for-profit straddles both worlds. I set 7 Cups up this way intentionally, because I want us to be robust and antifragile. If your organization only accepts donations, then you can be significantly impacted when there is an economic downturn like a recession or depression. People simply give less during these times. If we were 100% dependent on donations, then that would threaten our organization if we were unable to keep donations coming in at a reliable rate. On the other hand, if your organization only sells products, then you can only survive as long as people continue to buy your products. If 7 Cups were 100% dependent on selling products, then our organization would come under threat if we were unable to sell enough products. The model I have outlined here incorporates both elements to increase the chances of 7 Cups surviving and thriving in both good and bad times.

We will be releasing the new design very soon. Once that is live and working well, well roll out some of the above options that Ive discussed. Look for another post soon on the white label version I discussed where any organization can launch their own support system. Thanks!

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GlenM OP September 24th, 2015
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@KiteDancer, the tension between single and monthly donations is something I struggled with. My sense now is that it makes the most sense to go with monthly. It helps us overall much more if we can add donations on top of donations and increase in stability. If we were to provide an option for one-off donations it might work, but it'd also bring in a lot more unpredictability and make it much harder to manage things moving forward.

philosophicalPrune3976 October 5th, 2015
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@GlenM

Hi glen i agree with what you're saying you need regular and predictable amount of money coming in!

i think on a website like this that helps people you'll find alot wanting to give one off donations especially after having a helpful listener, you'll find people being very generous

I just think monthly some people may only want to use the site when they need it which may just be now and again so paying monthly may not be something their interested in?

Also to point out could you do a fast route to creating an account and doing payments for people who need a listener urgently?

i really think if you have a target on the website with where your at you'll find people want to help towards that you've helped them they'll want to give back, especially since they dont have to pay, they have the choice, they'll be more generous the fact you're giving them help and support for free they'll appreciate it more

All just ideas just thought i'd put it out their, thinking of options for everyone! hope you find something that works for the website, i know that i and many others are appreciative for all its done for us!

LetsHaveTea November 10th, 2015
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@GlenM, regarding monthly vs single donations. My experience as a listener is this: when I start a chat, I check the member's profile page to see if they are a newbie or a veteran. Results are about 50/50. The newbies often don't come back, wanting to vent just one time, or ready to move on to other resources, e.g. psychotherapy. This would be an argument for offering BOTH monthly and single donations.

MikeMadrid September 23rd, 2015
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Hi, thanks for bringing this up. Just want to throw some suggestions into the ring.

1. The Wikipedia's system for raising funds is excellent. They have a target, and people contribute to it. When you make a donation, you get a bit closer to the target. This helps with transparency (stops you feeling you are throwing money into a bottomless pit) along with a sense of contribution, because you know that $20 of that target was met by you.

2. If someone has been helped a lot by a listener, they can feel a tremendous sense of gratitude, and can sometimes be frustrated by the inability to do more to say thanks. You could think of some system of allowing people to "buy" thank you plaques to say thanks for the help. These could have little messages on them, and you could put them into some kind of virtual garden where people can go and see the plaque they bought, and the dedicatory message they left for their listener. Listener's and others could visit it too. It wouldn't be exceptionally difficult on a technical level I don't think, but the idea of buying a little piece of something, having your name (optional), message and the handle of the listener could work. We could get a little note or badge or something to say that we'd helped get a donation.

3. The recurring donations is of course much better than one off donations, but harder to get people to sign up to. I think the issue of status is important there. It's a bit like being a shareholder... the feeling that you "own" part of the project. So in return for a monthly donation, maybe a personal letter from Glen every couple of months or so, with a sort of "how we're doing" update, which would help with the sense of feeling part of things. I personally would pay say $10 a month just to be in that loop.

4. Think about merchandised goods. I'd buy a 7 cups hat, or t-shirt, or pen or whatever, to help spread the word and help to make a financial contribution to the site. I'd also think about a poster, like https://xkcd.com/1256/ , which could be really lovely if someone with an artistic touch were to fill it with some of the kind things members and guests leave as feedback.

If I can think of any more ideas I'll let you know.

Zedda September 23rd, 2015
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@MikeMadrid I love these ideas! I'd definitely buy 7 Cups merchandise too

bohemianartist72 September 30th, 2015
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@Zedda

Tshirts and mugs with the 7 cups logo I would definitely want.

TortueDesBois September 23rd, 2015
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those ideas are very cool

Luka September 23rd, 2015
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These are some awesome ideas!

EvelyneRose September 23rd, 2015
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these are awesome! You know your stuff :)

GlenM OP September 24th, 2015
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@MikeMadrid, great insights. I really like the plaque idea. I'm also going to do the monthly email from me. I was thinking that I'd share what is top of mind for me - things I'm really thinking about - and also share new 7 Cups developments. How does that sound?

We can do the store as well.

LetsHaveTea October 14th, 2015
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I like Wikipedia's funding model very much. Wikipedia was free for years, but it costs money to run a web site. Once a year I get a message from them suggesting if you use something, you should pay for it. Point taken, and I am happy to contribute.

LetsHaveTea October 14th, 2015
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Also, I believe Wikipedia has created a 503(c) (or whatever, I mean non-profit) foundation so that contributions are tax-deductible. That might be worth pursuing for 7COT.

energeticCircle9867 November 5th, 2015
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@MikeMadrid

7 Cups of Tea, Tea? I would be in line for that. Tea and a tea cup?

KiteDancer September 23rd, 2015
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Ok... Now I've read the comments. Being very new to the site (about 2 weeks,) I didn't realize there was an age issue until reading this thread. I'm over 50, and when I found the site, my listener was close to my age. We've had a couple of wonderful chats that have been very helpful to me. Adding my two cents, after over 30 years of therapy, a person who needs to share about difficulties will always feel more comfortable with someone who has "walked in their shoes."

When I was 20, I didn't want a counselor in their 50s. Even if they had "been there, done that," it was during a different generation when society had a different way of viewing the challenges going on in the world.

When I was married and raising a family, I could relate to someone who was 50, and maybe just out that boat; but certainly wouldn't be able to relate to a new grad in their 20s who was just starting their counseling services..

As my spouse is older than I am, we are at the age when friends are reaching issues of aging and dying. While many people of all ages can relate to illness and death, there is something very different when you find your own body / mind not performing as it should, and you are getting closer to stepping through the next door. Someone in their 30s might "understand," but certainly wouldn't be able to empathize.

Certainly, one way to grow 7 Cups is to "advertise" the wealth of experience that this group has in its listeners; and one aspect of that is to divide by age. My suggestion would be: under 18, 18-35, 35-55, sexy seniors. Color code each group to make easy to find without asking.

Since many listeners don't post their actual pictures, it would also be nice to know if they are male or female... Especially when someone wants to discuss gender issues. Maybe there could even be categories that listeners could check, showing their special interest in helping.

In other words, making 7 Cups more "user rieendly" will attract more people to the site, and increase donations.

Speaking of user friendly, I'm having all sorts of difficulties in navigating the iPad app. I can't find lots of thing I see on the website. And even if I log into the website, when click my feed, it sense ck to the iPad app. These sorts of difficulties will certainly scare away most people over 50 who don't have the patience for figuring out half to get around something that doesn't work correctly.

BTW: I'm not a listener because I haven't been here long enough. Someday, with more familiarity with the site, and the bugs worked out; I would love to be one of the Sexy Senior listeners.

TortueDesBois September 23rd, 2015
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I'm 100% agree with the possibility to browse listeners by group of age, but maybe not colors and stuff..

but gender, i don't know...
There are SO MANY genders, how will you classify all of them?! There are a lot more than "male" or "female".
And many people don't want share their gender, and it's ok too!
Will it be facultative for listeners to specify it?
And what about trolls harassing listeners of a specific gender because they can browse it?
Do you have any suggestion to avoid this issues?

MikeMadrid September 23rd, 2015
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Hi Tortue... I was thinking it could be voluntary. You could have male, female, not specified, and any other categories that could be generally acceptable to the community. The same with age. I always come clean about everything... sexuality, age, what I've done in the past etc. etc., but it's much easier for me to do that than it is for some of the other listeners, because trolls and predators don't usually (though not in all cases!) go for people with my type of profile. But the possibility of declaring that up front in a category could definitely be useful, so long as it's not compulsory

TortueDesBois September 23rd, 2015
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sounds like a good alternative

PoliteOcean September 24th, 2015
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Great point Mike. I am the same way as you. I like your ideas also of being able to separate them into categories. Great suggeston!

peacefulWaves54 October 2nd, 2015
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@TortueDesBois

genders is a bad idea! It opens up for trolls to target certain groups! Please consider this carefully I wouldn't want any listener to be targeted because of their sex!

TortueDesBois October 2nd, 2015
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@peacefulWaves54 that is a part of why i was disagree with the gender thing...

LetsHaveTea October 14th, 2015
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I'm not quite sure how a discussion about sustainability morphed into age/gender categories. Nevertheless, here is my thought on age/gender. There ARE issues related to age and gender. I believe these can be addressed by expanding the issues category.

For example, a member might want to talk about what it's like when she wakes up 3 times a night dripping with sweat and her nightgown and sheets soaked through. No matter how skilled at listening, a 20-year-old male listener would not be a good match for this member. Instead of searching for "female" under gender and "over 50" from age, she could choose "menopause" from the issues list.

The current "issues" list is sorely lacking in middle-aged and senior issues. I am still in favor of expanding the age range choice for listeners.

I agree that "gender" would not be a useful category when a member browses listeners, for reasons others have stated well. The listener could optionally state his/her gender in his/her bio. I have done this and it has worked out well.

MikeMadrid September 23rd, 2015
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Hi, and welcome :) I hope the experience you get here is as fulfilling as it has been for me. I just wanted to comment on your idea about the grouping of people by sex and age range. I'm in the fortunate position that my photo gives both away !! And you're right, it would definitely help some people to choose someone of their own age range. I'm sure there are quite a few people that when I pick them up on the general chat take one look and think "I'm not talking to him, he looks just like my dad" :) . But similarly, there are others that do pick me because they are going through some complex issues and it's more likely I've been through them just because of my age. So a great suggestion in my opinion :)

KrinkTheMellowUnicorn September 23rd, 2015
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on the internet, nobody knows if a unicorn is middle-aged :')

KrinkTheMellowUnicorn September 23rd, 2015
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great suggestions, @kitedancer! I also agree with the follow-ups saying that revealing one's own age-range or gender etc must be optional for those who do not wish to present themselves in those terms.

btw, I'm sorry the app is so frustrating. We know this! I use the iPad version a lot and I share your pain. It is not a complete model of the site yet and some things are definitely broken.

The good news is that within the next month or so we should have the first fix up for the apps, and then we will be updating the design of the apps as well to both match the new (coming soon!) website design as well as to bring more of the functionality of the site to the apps.

GlenM OP September 24th, 2015
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@KiteDancer, great points and clear from you and this thread that we need to do a better job with age levels. @KrinkTheMellowUnicorn is working on browse listeners now and this will be a part of it.

PoliteOcean September 24th, 2015
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Oh Kite this was exactly my point in my comments below. Thank you SO very much for your wise imput. Its very much appreciated. I hope they take all of this into consideration. Your ideas are surely fabulous ones. Thanks again.

friendlyStrawberry98 September 23rd, 2015
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I like what KiteDancer said- i used this site when i needed help and I had a really good talk with someone and I wished I couldve thanked them more than by just saying it! It takes a lot of time and emotional energy to help lots of people and a little sign of thanks is always welcomed!

MandyCandy0512 September 23rd, 2015
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It's hard to find someone to talk with. To find that one person you connect with naturally and can help each other without realizing it.

peacefulSoul8 September 23rd, 2015
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Hey I can help :) pm me

Pandas4ever September 23rd, 2015
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I think we should make this website more sustainable as it can be really hard to sometimes find people you naturally connect with.

TortueDesBois September 23rd, 2015
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I remember I already asked if there was a way to "pay" my listener or give any donation - at least for the site - because it was very helpful for me.
But I was told that was not possible. At this time I became a little paranoid, wondering how this site was funding if they do not accept any donation and has no ads ...
I thought they were selling my personal data or something... and why it was not specified in the TOS if they did it... But I decided to continue to use the site despite i was thinking it... telling me if it's what it allows me to use the site... I am ok with it.

And now you bring this post. It makes me smile, even if I feel bad that I had this thought.

For sure, I would be happy to have the possibility to give something in return of the help I received here, and mainly if I was able to choose the amount and/or the frequency, and there was no pressure on how much I can give or be judged on it.
And a small something to put on my listeners' profile, like @MikeMadrid said, could be very nice, because it is like dedicated directly to the specific person who helped me!

yes

MandyCandy0512 September 23rd, 2015
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I'm glad you had a good experience with this @TortueDesBois .

GlenM OP September 24th, 2015
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Yes @TortueDesBois it has taken us a bit to get here. I'm glad you want to contribute. Stay tuned!

astuteScorpius September 23rd, 2015
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I'd like to see some community events for us late-night folks. Most of them are during hours I work so as much as I'd like to attend support sessions, working 3p-11pm means I miss out on many of them. It would be nice if we could have like, "bedtime tea support" or "late night support lounge" chat sessions for those of us who keep later hours.

GlenM OP September 24th, 2015
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@astuteScorpius, can you pm @Heather on this? She is great and works on our group support initiatives. Thanks!

TortueDesBois September 24th, 2015
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There are discussion leaders, from around of world, and then in different time zone,
so maybe sse with the ones who are usually around on the rooms in your time (they have colors badges on the rooms). I'm sure some of them would be great with organizing a discussion in other times if they get requests for it. They try to put on different times for reach a maximum people, so I think PMing them could be a good way to let them know that there is a need for unusual times. ;)

mutter3 September 24th, 2015
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Remember when some listeners charged varying rates? Also when you could tip listeners. If I had to pay I wouldn't come here. When I'm treated poorly at a business I don't return.

Kane September 24th, 2015
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@mutter3

I don't believe members will be forced to pay at any point. Glen is speaking about receiving funding from other sources in order to keep 7cups free for those who need support as well as how they hope to be able to meet this.

7 Cups is not perfect, and they are always looking to improve it. It may seem like very little is done to address the issues that come up, but the staff are always working hard to make 7 Cups a better place. Fixes take a lot more time than we may believe because there is a lot more that needs to happen behind the scenes.

TortueDesBois September 24th, 2015
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The goal of this post is exactly to find ways to fund the site for keeping the actual services free.

There was idea like voluntary donations, premium accounts (with more options for those, but without limit the actual services for those who don't take a membership), organizing fundraiser, buy decorations to put on profiles (100% facultative), merchandised (people can buy items, so again 100% facultative), etc...

mutter3 September 24th, 2015
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Glen, you compare your idea regarding funding with that of Alcoholic Anonymous. AA is self supporting through its own contributions. No set dues, no required amount to attend. No one is turned away based on ability to pay. The basket is passed and people give what they can if they want to give. First priority should be appropriate training and timely response to issues. Maybe consider what is wrong with 7 cups and how to fix it before looking at funding.