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The Gift of Giving

GlenM May 5th, 2021

Did you know at one time - a long, long, long, time ago - that listeners could charge on 7 Cups? When we went through YC, we thought that was going to be how 7 Cups was going to generate revenue to help cover the bills. What happened was that .01% of people charged and 99.9% of listeners did not charge.

Listeners very clearly communicated to us that 7 Cups was to be a 100% volunteer based service. People were going to give of their time out of the goodness of their hearts. They did not want to be compensated. Listeners were committed to freely giving the gift of compassion.

Since that time, listeners have given gifts of compassion - imagine them as little wrapped gift boxes šŸŽšŸŽšŸŽ - to millions upon millions of people all around the world. We now have 20,000 conversations on 7 Cups a day. That is a lot of gift giving!

Giving a gift feels amazing. Some of you are excellent gift givers. You pay attention. You see what someone needs, and then you give them the gift and they are delighted to receive it because it fills a need they have. The old saying ā€œgiving is better than receivingā€ is true and anyone that has given a gift knows this to be accurate.

On 7 Cups, people come and they ask for help. That is what happens when a general or personal request is made. That request is an ask - it is an indication of a need to connect, a need to be heard, a need to be understood, a need to be seen, a need to be validated, a need to feel less alone. Our listeners pick up these chats, they answer those requests, and when they do, they give a gift to our members. A gift of listening.

Think about that space between a member and a listener. The request is sent out from our app on a phone on one side of the planet. The listener, on the other side of the world, sees the username and the issue and selects them. They connect - strangers that do not know one another - and they start talking. The member begins to open up and shares some of what is causing them pain. The listener paraphrases, tries to see the world through their eyes, and says this back to the member in their own words. In that space between, something remarkable happens, the listener gives the gift of compassion - out of the goodness of their own heart - and the person feels loved, understood, and cared for.

That is a beautiful, beautiful, beautiful, and remarkable thing.

Fast forward to February 2021. I finally - after years and years of trying to understand what we are doing on 7 Cups - see 7 Cups as an ecosystem. I share this idea with a friend, a medical anthropologist, and he says, ā€œGlen, this is a system of reciprocity or what Marcel Mauss calls a gift economy.ā€ I have never heard of this before and immediately Iā€™m excited to learn that 7 Cups can be understood through another lens that I cannot yet see through.

I do all this research on Mauss, gift economies/exchanges, and consult with my friend to better understand what we are doing. Long story short, with zero planning or deliberate building, we have accidentally recreated an ancient pattern called a gift economy where social bonds and connections are primary. Where this gift of compassion is shared from leaders to listeners and listeners to members and members to other members, listeners, and people in their life. On any given day, we have tens of thousands of compassion gifts circulating around the 7 Cups community. A good conversation, a WTG in a sharing circle, a shout out, a spotlight - all of these are gifts going round and round 7 Cups.

One interesting thing about the Kula tribe and their conception of a gift is that it becomes heavier or more valuable as it passes from one person to the next. Imagine our gift boxes of compassion circulating. Someone sends a gift to me about how awesome a listener or mentor is. I hear this and send it over to the community management team - hey I just received this message and think this person is great. They then send it over to the mentor and say hey great job! And so on. That gift of compassion becomes heavier with each person it touches. It becomes more meaningful.

7 Cups differ from the Kula tribe and ancient societies in a number of ways. We are based on the Internet, so we have unintentionally layered on a digital approach to gift economies. Also, if you watch that ecosystem video, then youā€™ll see that each party gets something and each party gives something naturally.

I wanted to share this gift economy model with you, because when I learned of it I was struck by its significance and how much more substantial it makes our work. Like someone in the desert sweeping off the top of a pyramid and then seeing the rest of it under the sand. We, collectively, have swept off an ancient - and beautiful - pattern of relating to one another.

We give gifts to one another on 7 Cups. It is a beautiful practice. Beautiful isnā€™t the right word. It is more than that.

Thank you listeners for being the first gift givers. Thank you for giving to me and many others millions of times. Thank you or helping us rediscover things we have forgotten.

A couple of questions to consider:

When you read the above (or watch the videos or read the links), what stands out to you about 7 Cups and gift giving?

How can we strengthen our gift economy even more? (Iā€™ll share more on this in another post and weave in comments from this thread).

With gratitude,

Glen

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SparkyGizmo May 5th, 2021

@GlenM

What stands out to me is simply much of what you just said. It's giving the gift of ourselves. Our time, treasures and talents. Just things done in a selfless manner in an effort to be of service to one another. I see how the gift gets bigger and bigger as it gets passed around. Yup, I know what you mean. I have called it trickle down, I have called it service, I have especially called it..........this is how the magic happens. Magical moments happen here every day on 7 cups. Just have to look for them or in fact create them. *high fives*

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Heather225 May 5th, 2021

@SparkyGizmo

beautifully said. you really summed it all up!

magic happening every day!

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SparkyGizmo May 5th, 2021

@Heather225

Many thanks my friend! smileyheartangel

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GlenM OP May 5th, 2021

@SparkyGizmo *high fives* - I like that a lot - a gift of ourselves - time, energy, thoughtfulness, care - and I like the concept of magical moments too. Thank you!

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SparkyGizmo May 5th, 2021

@GlenM

Many thanks my friend! smileyheartangel

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RarelyCharlie May 5th, 2021

@GlenM What stands out to me about 7 Cups and gift giving?

Well, I found it interesting that the article on the Kula explains:

The act of giving, as Mauss wrote, is a display of the greatness of the giver, accompanied by shows of exaggerated modesty in which the value of what is given is actively played down.

So that's one way to look at itā€”badges and titles, in our economy.

But I do like the idea of a gift that passes from one person to the next. I'm here as a listener because I've been listened to and I know how much it has meant to me at times. And I know that a little of the listening I do here will be passed on when people I've listened to become listeners to others in their own lives. I think that's important. It goes beyond 7 Cups. 7 Cups is only one intermediary.

And it existed long before 7 Cups, too. As it happens, Samaritans (where all this volunteer listener thing began, in 1953) has an initiative they call SHUSH that helps ordinary people, not just their selected volunteers, to be better listeners.

How can we strengthen our gift economy even more? Maybe allow our member-listener distinction to soften a little more now. Maybe work at becoming more tolerant towards those people we've become a little too comfortable stigmatizing and censoring as trolls and bad actors. Maybe shift towards the idea that everyone deserves to be listened to, and everyone can be a listener.

Charlie

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GlenM OP May 5th, 2021

@RarelyCharlie thank you Charlie! I appreciate those thoughts. Yes, great point on the Samaritans and AA as well. Both great organizations that helped guide us along the way.

I also like the point on being kinder to people and less quick to label folks as being unhelpful. I hear the challenge and the encouragement in this point and we will keep at it.

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FlourishingDimensions May 6th, 2021

@GlenM

I have found myself growing curious how 7 Cups was able to provide this platform and all of this amazing information, support, and training opportunities. This was really cool to see and learn. I also appreciate hearing how 7 Cups has evolved. I haven't been here or known about this place long. I sometimes can't believe all of the support, kindness, and compassion that is out here... not only that but also the passion that a lot of the people have here on this site, the passion to want to help. It's surreal almost, that something like this exists online. It's desperately needed in this world and it fits in with the current era. That is what stands out to me the most, how perfectly it fits in, in this time and place in the world.

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GlenM OP May 7th, 2021

@FlourishingDimensions great points! I especially like that word "surreal". And I agree with you on timing. We've been hard at it since 2013, but the need for 7 Cups has dramatically increased over time. I'm glad that we are here and can provide a much needed service through this ecosystem or gift economy model.

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May 6th, 2021

@GlenM

When you read the above (or watch the videos or read the links), what stands out to you about 7 Cups and gift giving?
I agree. 7cups is doing well as a gift exchanging eco system. In fact, money is rarely discussed on the platform. (Although I am not saying no to it either Tongue )

How can we strengthen our gift economy even more?
The gifts that we receive are kindness, Appreciation, feedback, cheers and badges. I believe we should be able to give more of these and not limit it. So, finding newer ways to award/deliver these would help strengthen it.
(food for thought: what if we could exchange some of these like currency? Wouldn't that be interesting? )

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GlenM OP May 7th, 2021

@DonaldDraper excellent points! Yes, there is no upside limit to kindness, compassion, or generosity. e.g., there is no kindness inflation so we don't have to worry about that. Good point! One thing, related to your second point, that I've thought of is how do we increase the gift giving surface area? Part of that is getting comfortable asking for help and then providing people the ability to provide that help across new domains. For example, we need research help because we cannot afford to hire tens of researchers to help us better understand how to help people. I needed to be okay being vulnerable and asking researchers for help. Thankfully they've agreed! And I imagine we could follow this same model in other areas as well.

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Rooibos14 May 6th, 2021

@GlenM Im so surprised to read about the start up and thinking about charging for our listening services... Im so glad this didnt happen! :) It makes sense, as a startup to need an income to support those running the show behind the scenes ect, but for the listeners, as a listener, I feel the sense of community and the "giving economy" works out so well. Ive learnt so much from 7 cups and continue to learn daily! I have grown as a compassionate listener and I am finding it is impacting on my daily life. As a person about to apply for my Masters degree in Psychology (Eeek), the knowledge I have gained here is invaluable. So I have reached out to my fellow students and told them all about 7 Cups, because I really want them to experience what I have here on 7 Cups! And every year, I reach out to the new students etc etc... Thats what I believe my career is supposed to be about, giving back to your community where ever you are. Big or small, a difference is a difference.

Also, I LOVE the badges! 103 and growing (hopefully)! Ive applied for my VL badge last week and I am awaiting the results with bated breath!

Thank you @GlenM for giving us the opportunity to give back, to learn and grow and be part of a community that makes a difference. :)

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GlenM OP May 7th, 2021

@Rooibos14 I'm also very glad it didn't happen. The community has deep wisdom that has kept us on track many times over the years. That was one very early lesson.

Congrats on the MA program! I'm sure you will do great! And thank you for spreading the word to fellow students. All students are very welcome to help and contribute!

I like the badges and training and learning as well. I'm very glad we launched the Academy to help formalize things.

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LightWhisper May 6th, 2021

So wonderful Glen, thnak you so much!

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GlenM OP May 7th, 2021

@LightWhisper thank you!

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ouiCherie May 6th, 2021

Hi @GlenM šŸ‘‹šŸ»šŸ˜

Interesting. This can be a good discussion.

ā—‹ What stands out about 7Cups and gift giving practice is everyone giving gift one way or another can be for a reason or for no reason.

ā—‹ What stands out about 7Cups and Gift Economy is how much similar it is to religion practice (regardless the religion) where sharing some of our blessing according to our abilities is encouraged.

And how much they are also have similarities with Marxism idea.

"From one according to their abilities and to one according to their need" - Karl Marx

The gift are one's valuable thing, in 7Cups, it is their time, mind and heart. Without prior agreement from both and without expecting anything in return. What everyone will get is relationship between people. Intangible but can be felt.

ā—‹ But 7Cups is not fully Gift Economy, there's also Market Economy. The professional therapist services.

Is it bad? Not at all. But it can be mix with a slight of Gift Economy idea. As Seth Godin said, "Customers are not buying your product, they are buying relationship" (with similar quality I suppose)

ā—‹ And Barter Economy practices may apply when a Listener ask for a Member to give reviews, when badges attached with certain minimum number of services monthly . Is it not a barter of services? Is it bad? I don't think so, the structure built for a reason, right?

How do we strengthen our Gift Economy?

What made you want to strengthen it?

In my humble opinion Glen, those who truly apply pure Gift Economy here are:

ā—‹ Listeners and Members who work under the radar who give gift of time and emotional support without asking for a review nor apply for a badge (You know who you are)

So, how do you want to strengthen that? I have couple ideas to propose but it's kinda radical ideas and full of advertisement for 7Cups Academy lol so, let's just not voice it out.

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GlenM OP May 7th, 2021

@ouiCherie I read these thoughts and very much enjoyed them. Thank you for sharing! It is a fun discussion :)

Yes, there are definite similarities between world religions and political ideologies. The idea that we are all intrinsically valuable - all of us have worth and should be treated with dignity - and, yes, all of us have something to give or contribute. I believe all of that in my bones.

No need to hold back on the ideas! Radical ideas are very welcome!

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ouiCherie May 7th, 2021

@GlenM seriously? šŸ˜ *nervous*

For everyone who stumble into this, kindly note that this is just for the fun of discussion, if you don't agree, chill... it's not gonna happen. It's against theory on how to appreciate hand raisers that is taught on LDP and may not fit 7Cups values and culture after all. Peace.

Here you go...

ā—‹ Badges are nice. It makes you feel appreciated, makes you recognize your teammates, but... What if there's no badge, other than admins and com mods (we have to know who's the authorities after all) and safety team perhaps? Anyone can still apply for roles and doing tasks according to their abilities, would there be a decrease on people applying for roles or increase? It could be an increase, there's a freedom in being nobody.

One only gets rewarded intangibly by the actual work that they do and how they treat others. And that is in the form of a good relationship with people.

ā—‹ On the contrary, what if one has to go through LDP and BCP to apply for roles? What if everyone can host but only if they have gone through GLDD? What if there's a mark on profile if one has gone through QLP, like check mark for VL? Will there be an increase numbers in Academy?

It's probably more fit to Barter Economy. The community gives you additional tools to face life for free and opportunity to do more here, in return, you give a better quality in serving the community.

ā—‹ What if professional therapists have schedule to host discussions for free and meet people, build familiarity and relationship with people. Will there be an increase in the use of their paid service?

Would it be like Gift Economy initially turn into a lead for Market Economy?

Glen, I didn't expect you to reply šŸ˜ you're cool! thanks ā™”

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GlenM OP May 10th, 2021

@ouiCherie love all of these thoughts and no need to be nervous. This is great discussion :)

I think you have already read our culture guide, but wanted to highlight it here for additional context and other readers. At the highest level, we are working together to build a free behavioral health system that scale compassion. This is a complicated enterprise that draws and needs people with all kinds of backgrounds, strengths, weaknesses, and personality styles. What helps some people might not help others and vice versa. The badges and other elements are good markers of accomplishment or milestones reached. Others are really gratified by a quiet message from another member or listener. The key thing is to think of 7 Cups as a platform that attempts to welcome and support others with different paths or processes to help them grow and care for others. We have a long ways to go here, but think we are off to a strong start!

I'll share your therapy idea with Lisa. Also, @hope is working on an idea on the Academy front that will be similar to what you've outlined. We should be able to share more on that front soon.

Thank you for your thoughts and help!


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MagicalButterfIy May 11th, 2021

@GlenM

That gave me some goosebumps how people really care for others and there's still faith in humanity, well said!

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GlenM OP May 21st, 2021

@MagicalButterfIy so good right?!

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NikkiCar May 11th, 2021

@GlenM As someone that is very new to 7 Cups, this was a great read for me. It is awesome how this explanation of how the site works makes you really think about all the people involved and how each conversation is just a piece of the whole puzzle. The best part is in a world that is full of negativity, this is based on positive thoughts and actions. I am really looking forward to continuing my exploration of what 7 Cups has to offer.

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GlenM OP May 21st, 2021

@NikkiCar we are all pieces of the puzzle; all fundamental parts to this interesting thing we are doing. Glad you are here and thank you for contributing!

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Anneb May 12th, 2021

@GlenM

It's like paying it forward. We have all had moments in our lives when someone has reached out a hand and helped us up, sometimes quite oblivious to the deep need within us at that moment. We need to reach out and always pay forward, it costs us nothing but our time, our ear, our compassion. The reward is far greater than the giving!

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GlenM OP May 21st, 2021

@Anneb very well said! I like the image of that. We've all been in holes in different parts of our lives and kind souls have reached down to help us climb out. We are indeed just paying it forward :)

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