Do you think that everything happens for a reason ?
Hello everyone ! I have been a listener for quite a while now and I do reply to some forum threads but have never created one. So I decided to post my first thread on something interesting.
Do you think evrerything good or bad happens for a reason ? Or it has occured to you before that people who doesn't really deserve the pain suffer from it just because life has been unfair to them . Do you think that besides the happiness and the good parts , the pain and the bad parts are worth for something good ?
I thought its a pretty interesting topic on which I am sure many people have a lot of different opinions about and I am more than keen to hear about all of it from you ! Let me know about your opinions and what you think about this : )))
@PhoenixTears5972 Every man speaks of the fair as his own market has gone in it. For some people, illness can represent a great stimulus to life. Every misfortune turns to their advantage. For my part, I cannot conceive of a providential reason for anything. And pessimism is not respectable.
Personally...I do believe that everything (good and bad) happens for a reason. The only exception to this is (*trigger warning*) when people choose to take their own lives. Then I believe that the universe has to re-adjust itself for the multiple destinies that would have been affected by said loss.
I don’t expect people to agree with me on this. It’s fine, I don’t care. I am respectful of others’ beliefs.
It’s not that I think that people deserve what they go through, like pain, death, etc. It can be both unfair and meant to happen to you. Why do I believe this? I’ve just had too many instances (and so has my family) where, if I hadn’t gone through that terrible thing or wonderful thing or mundane thing, I would be in an even worse situation. Or, I would just be stuck. Not able to understand.
I think that there are lessons we have to learn over and over until it sticks. For a lot of people. People who are born in bad situations obviously don’t deserve those situations. But in my opinion, there is a reason for it. There’s a balance between good and bad, and the grand design surprises us in ways we never would have dreamed.
i hope this helped! I am open to anyone disagreeing with me.
Nope, some things may happen randomly. But when you decide to look for reasons don't do it without research. Looking inside and out. Great example is when someone gets hurt by another, and the victim of the act would think he did something to deserve the bad treatment and accept it as a conclusion. However most of the time the root reasons lie inside the person who hurt the other. Even this would be a shallow conclusion to draw, because this situation is way more complex that it seems. Roots may be woven into so many things, including environmental factors, and many related people's lives.
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Let us imagine that this statement is untrue and the converse is true.
Then the right statement should be:
‘Everything happens without a reason?”
Now we know that this statement is false because we know from our experience that,
- A ball thrown from a height falls on ground because of gravity.
- You fail in the examination because you did not write your answers.
- Everyone who is born has to die because every cell decays with time.
- People fall in love because of mutual attractions.
You can find reason for everything happening in this world.
Hence, the statement ‘Everything happens without a reason’ is untrue.
Hence the statement ‘Everything happens for a reason’ is true.
Albert Einstein said rightly, "God does not play dice with the universe."
Just because we don’t know the reason does not mean that the reason is absent.
If two person falls from the cliff, one knows the laws of gravity and the other don’t, they shall still fall with the same acceleration and speed.
Ignorance of reason does not prove that there is no reason.
@eternaldarkness22 This so true . Wisely and Beautifully explained ❤️
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thank youuu❤️
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Of course, Einstein was wrong. The universe IS totally random. Read Isaacson’s biography — a great book.
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I appreciate the deterministic example, but this is a logical fallacy confusing necessity and sufficiency.
Just because we know that the converse is not 100% true does not indicate that the conditional statement is 100% true. It has truthiness that we generally accept in our own everyday lives, but isn't an airtight logical statement.
I think the spirit of the post was really less about determinism and more about teleology, or real Purpose or Will for why things happen.
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This is a great post, thank you PhoenixTears, I would love to read more of your posts in future! Let's answer your questions now 😊
Do you think everyything good or bad happens for a reason? No, I do not believe everything happens for a reason, sometimes things just happen. However, I always try to see the lesson in what happens.
Or it has occured to you before that people who doesn't really deserve the pain suffer from it just because life has been unfair to them. In my life I suffer, I am happy, I feel good etc. This is life to me, it's not about fair or unfair. When I tell myself this is unfair I add more suffering to my existing suffering. When I see some people in pain, it hurts my heart and I would love to make the pain go away for them and also the thought "This is not fair" easily comes to mind but it also reminds me to be grateful for my well-being.
Do you think that besides the happiness and the good parts , the pain and the bad parts are worth for something good ? To me the bad parts are usually the most impactful teachers because our brains seem to be designed to easier remember what was bad so we can try to avoid it in future.
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"Good" and "bad" are pretty arbitrary human terms with a lot of meaning already wrapped up into them.
Deterministically? Seems so. Our best knowledge seems to indicate that the universe is an enormous Rube Goldberg machine where every action has a subsequent reaction. There is a reason things happen: everything up to that point has led to that thing happening.
Philosophically and teleologically? Doesn't seem so. Without the acknowledgement of some Greater Power and a Divine Will, there is no evidence of Purpose with a capital "P." As animals, our brains help us survive by pattern recognition, and what makes humans unique animals is that we form narratives to store and recall these patterns. When we identify phenomena that doesn't have a good narrative, we invent one. Sometimes that narrative we've created is useful, and sometimes it isn't. "Good" and "bad" just happening in the world don't always indicate that there is a meaningful story to learn from: sometimes shit just happens.
@ordziw Its amazing to know your perspective on this . What both you and @amiablepeace77 said is so true and and I learnt to look from a different perspective on this controversy after reading your opinions. Its really very enlightening to read everybody's opinion on this allowing me to accept all kinds of opinions through various perspective .
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Thanks a lot to all of you for taking part in this 😊❤️
I believe everything happens for a reason. HOWEVER, I think of it more as a cause and effect scenario rather than divine intervention. There is always a reason, but I don't think it's part of a greater plan.
@PhoenixTears5972 I am not sure what the reason things happen the way they do but the good times do not last long and the challenges keep rolling in. I try to find enough good times so that when things get challenging, I do not get discouraged.
@soulsings Thats very true and to be honest nothing stays for ever . Neither the good nor the bad times. And without pain and sadness we will never be able to appreciate the value of happiness. So its a cycle. To see the light we have to explore the h-ell , because the only way is through ❤️
@PhoenixTears5972 I hear you and that is the only way I have found is accepting whatever life brings my way.