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7cups day one: Unpleasant onboarding

edwardiolo December 16th, 2022
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Hello,

I am a person, and I am new to this website.

I was directed hear a few weeks ago after talking on a crisis line. I signed up earlier today, and briefly chatted with a therapist, half set my profile, and joined some of the communities.

But, this isn’t an introduction.


I don’t know exactly how to voice criticism, yet, I would like to. I know this is a supportive community, that the site is a labor of love, and people here want to be helpful. I would like a community, yet, a lot of signing up and signing on has made me really uncertain if this will be a good space for me.

I signed on through my phone (an android) and there were errors in how the site ignoring them, I made an account. I am greeted with an add for therapy, great, that’s what I came for, i sign up. I’m spit out into a chat room where the therapist starts with an automated method. On the phone, the code formatting is also displayed.

Display errors are a minor irritation. I back out of the conversation, a little overwhelmed and end up on my home screen. There are several notifications. I’m taken to a display to a *** like display, where these community posts are coming through. There is something posted about being positive. I see I have an optional assessment. It says I’m really depressed, and I’m given some sort of progres points for doing it. I return to the therapy session where I see I’m directed to the same test. Happy I’ve done it.

The therapist also informs me I can get a discount on the “premium paths’ with therapy, it’s part of the automated introduction.

I talk to her for a while, it goes well enough. I actually in no way mean to criticize the therapist. She did fine.

What I mean to criticize is how this whole things comes across as a first time user. How it feels is like a social media site, advertising at me, with a little bit of a cult of positivity on top of things.

I click around and look at things. Forum rules, mission statements, community guidelines. I grow increasingly fearful. There are sections for positive thoughts of the day, gratitude journals, I see statements on how the listeners are expected to be warm, that they want a culture of high expectations.

I read the community is meant to be inclusive, and a safe space, but there is also a zero tolerance policy towards harmful behavior. I would have maybe preferred a policy that did have some room for tolerance, growth, and forgiveness. Maybe even implying I could one day say something intolerant, stupid, or hateful is too much, and I'll be banned when I try and sign in tomorrow. Not that I want to spew hate or be intolerant, yet, I've made mistakes in my life. I live with a lot of regrets and disappointment. I probably haven't put my foot in my mouth for the last time.

I level up, and told I know have earned the privilege of a profile picture.


I don’t exactly feel welcome.


I’m not some racist or homophobe or stalker here to make everyone’s life hard, but I’m also not a person who likes to be made to jump through hoops. I resent that I am put on a path and told what is going to help or work for me. I resent that I am placed with a therapist with no say, introduction, or knowledge of their skills or expertise. I dislike the gamification of mental-health. I dislike a culture that presents itself as shiny, happy, and warm all the time.

I am happy that people get value from daily aphorisms. I’m glad if recording gratitude helps you. I’m pleased that you have paths and ways of tracking progress and things for people who wish to engage in such things. But, I feel like I’m stepping into a cult. Finding talks like “happiness is a choice,” and posts like “don’t let the haters get you down,” alienates me. If it were a choice for me, I probably would have taken it by now. If I could let the world not bring me down, believe me I would.

The problem I fear is that as I scratch the surface that I’m going to be greeted by a cult of toxic positivity. After all, if things like happiness are a choice, then people like me, who live with depression, are just making bad choices all the time. That might be the case. I might continue to make bad choices. I might be incapable of growth, I might be incapable of change, doomed to repeat the same mistakes ever onward into the future. I had hoped to find a group that would support me even if I do nothing but fail and fail and fail again.


I have tried to find hope, tried to learn optimism, but I have failed that too. I am a depressed pessimist, always able to find the bad of a situation and always able to see how it can get worse. But I try to be empathetic. I try and be a person people can come to talk to about bad things. I try to be the friend for others that I need. Though, I sometimes do need a positive friend, a relentless font of hope and optimism, more, I need people that understand, that can relate, that have been there.


My fear is that the staff has high-graded the community and their employees for only the most saccharine amongst us, That for those embittered like myself, that this platform may not prove fertile soil in which to put roots.


Anyway, I don't mean to stir up trouble. I am not going to subscribe to this thread, and I'm probably never going to reply if anyone comments on it. I'm not in a place where I'm really able to do new friends, and It's not really worth reaching out to me.

I would have submitted this through the links for community feedback, but that too, seems broken. (windows, chrome)

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I get that I'm the exception to the rule, and most people may find this whole onboarding processes both welcoming and comforting. I found I did not have a lot of control of the process.

I am likely to delete this post (if I'm able) in a few days or weeks.

I mostly want to give feedback and lack a channel.

Sorry to be standoffish, I know there are many people who might empathize and relate. I will be more pleasant and engaging and inviting to people in another time and place perhaps if I stick around the community.

Anyway, I'm not trying to rock the boat to hard, and I do hope that whoever does end up reading this doesn't find it too upsetting. I hope the rest of your day can go easily.

Sorry to voice the negative.



Please do not remove this post - @CheeryMango 12/16/2022

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AffyAvo December 16th, 2022
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I think this is really great feedback!

I have been here a long time, and have been a leader as a member for years. The onboarding process has changed tremendously since I first joined so I think as a newcomer it's great you gave that!

The website tends to work better than the app, I have never used the app.

As for the toxic positivity/saccharine posts. I get you! I think this comes from a few things, 1) posts can be made by anyone with an account, there are many, many people here. I think many thing this is helpful and it may be for some people. 2) To have this feel uplifting for those who need that type of mental break. If you explore different communities you may find something that feels like a better fit. My particular focus has been the disability support community for a long time and I try to keep a balance of having some positivity in there while also keeping it real and my personal support threads very much are keeping it real. If you find a good experienced listener and just want to vent you can find some really good empathetic listeners who do not push positivity. New listeners it's a bit more questionable but I do see the site working to improve the quality of the listeners overall. I actually attended a really great chat in one of the group chatrooms on toxic positivity, I wish they would run that more!

The Zero Tolerance Policy - is not the label I would have used for most behaviours. Sexual harassment, offsite with teens, spamming fit under that. If you look into details under the behaviours points table it does lay things out better, but I also realize it's work to get to that point. There's a lot of different working parts to the site so it can be difficult to get a full understand when new.

It's ok if you don't read this or reply back. I do hope this critique is seen by admin though. I will tag an admin below so it's clear why I am tagging them.

If you do want this post deleted just state so in the thread (I am subscribed) or if you want it handled more quickly, use the flag option. You can select other to request any of your own posts to be deleted.

RarelyCharlie December 16th, 2022
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@edwardiolo Your experience of 7Cups' app and web technology seems to have been unusually bad, I would say. In general I think there is slow progress towards technology that serves the community in ways that people can relate to, but still a lot of work to do.

Your comments about toxic positivity and gamification of mental health echo other people's observations, of course. I suppose that, in general, people who don't feel good about those approaches simply leave with out saying anything.

You are not allowed to delete the post yourself. You can flag it and ask for it to be deleted. Or someone might decide it violates some forum rule or other and delete it anyway.

Charlie

AffyAvo December 16th, 2022
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@Heather225 The OP has some really good feedback about being onboarded as a new member.