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Clarity: Fears of Abandonment & BPD

blitheSun94 December 25th, 2015

Hello beautiful people!

Understanding abandonment and its relationship to Borderline Personality Disorder is one of the best ways to restore and refine your relationships with others. For most people, real or imagined fears of abandonment have a fundamental impact on their interpersonal skills and, in crushing cases, can even be responsible for ending our most meaningful unions.

This week I came across an insightful piece of writing that I wanted to share here as a sort of "a-ha" moment. Please take note and leave your thoughts in comments below.

"Acutely aware of our own transience, we alternate between an aching despondency and a rebellion against the facts. We cling to our loved ones, or remove ourselves from them, rather than loving them in all of their vulnerability. In so doing we distance ourselves from a grief that is an inevitable component of affection. Using our best obsessional defenses to keep this mourning at bay, we pay a price in how isolated and cut off we can feel. Love and grieving, like separation and connection, are co-constitutive. Opening oneself to one emotion deepens the experience of the other. The heart can open in sadness as much as it does in joy. His point is that everything is always changing. When we take loved objects into our egos with the hope or expectation of having them forever, we are deluding ourselves and postponing an inevitable grief...by pushing away the painful aspect of experience we isolate ourselves from our own capacity for love.

The solution is not to deny attachment but to become less controlling in how we love. It is the very tendency to protect ourselves against mourning that is the cause of the greatest dissatisfaction. It is possible to have a relationship to transience that is not adversarial, in which the ability to embrace the moment takes precedence over fear of its passing."

~Mark Epstein, Going to Pieces Without Falling Apart, A Buddhist Perspective on Wholeness

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blitheSun94 OP January 12th, 2018

BUMP

krisfelodese January 12th, 2018

i am in tears reading this because it hurts so much knowing how much this is true.

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blitheSun94 OP January 14th, 2018

@krisfelodese

You must have a big heart.

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Hope7879 February 8th, 2018

ok so im 16 and yes im not old eough for bpd but i have every symptom and my therapist and doctor says i have every symptom of bpd...im in a treatment for bpd and impulse and suicidal and self harm its called dbt i want to say i am absolutely terrified of abandoment so much that i am so terrifed of my friend leaving that i want to leave her its confusing maybe its just me im sorry i posted to the thread

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cyanPlatypus6370 February 9th, 2018

@imsorryitry ....

Hi dear,

In my opinion, no need to apologize for posting here (even if you are 16 wink ). In fact, I am glad that you did! I think you may find that there are others (perhaps many others) who share your experiences. Not in the exact same way, perhaps, but they can relate to you very well. At least this is what I have found. I applaud your courage as well. It is not easy to write out our experiences with mental illness and press "add post" or "enter." Anyway, I too have the diagnosis of BPD. I really (yes, really, really) dislike it, a lot! The general population doesn't understand it and for me, it is hard to deal with. I hear you too about the, well I'm afraid my friend is going to leave or never call me .... so I'll just never call back and not go do stuff with her anymore. Yes, I know too that it doesn't make any sense :( but that is just kind of how a person with BPD, how their mind works. Annoying? Weird? Backwards? Yeah, at least that's how it feels to me.

Have you ever heard of this book? I Hate You, Don't Leave Me: Understanding the Borderline Personality by Jerold J Kreisman and Hal Straus .... https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/145391.I_Hate_You_Don_t_Leave_Me?from_search=true ...... (Do you have a Goodreads account? It's free and kind of fun.)

I own this, I have read it (once, maybe twice?), I loaned it to a friend and she said she devoured it! I think even my dog has read it. Or he has at least used it as 'food for thought' LOL. I think it's about time that I read this one again. (Though not according to the reviews on Goodreads :( Maybe something else.) I hope you have a good evening! ~ Platy

blitheSun94 OP July 18th, 2023

@Hope7879

Hello, Hope! It's been five years since your original post. How are you now?

What was your experience with DBT like?

I hope you have found some relief. <3

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SmollDino123 July 27th, 2023

I am not sure if I suffer from BPD, but I was in a relationship where I relied a lot on my partner for my hapiness and it got to the point where I would get mad if he did not pay enough attention to me, everything about the relationship annoyed me, and I sought to control how he acts, because I would get triggered easily. It got to a point where I felt so guilty and I decided to leave because I did not want him to walk on egg shells for me. I've been having moments of derealisation/dissociation a lot and it's been hard to concentrate. Also, I feel like I can't fully process my emotions and I want to say I tend to go emotionally numb after feeling overwhelmed.

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blitheSun94 OP November 6th, 2023

@SmollDino123

All very relevant and sadly common aspects of personality disorders impact interpersonal relationships the most. How are you feeling now? 

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cyanPlatypus6370 September 14th, 2023

@blitheSun94, Hey, you still part of 7cups? I did not yet click over to see your profile/active. I wrote this earlier tonight, but did not post all of it. Perhaps it fits better in this thread.

I could use a (L) tonight or even a Sharing Circle. But, well, it is just past midnight already; so, late.


One of my support team people (especially for *OUT*side of the hospital) told me today that she is leaving her current job. I'm sad. She was/is really good at her job and I will miss her.

I don't know why she is leaving. I will tell her I want her to stay! She will go anyway, but I will tell her nonetheless. <3 Platy

@MeaningfulSilence, @Barltik2065, @YourCaringConfidant, @SilverSeastar, @Lou73, @Gilbird

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Barltik2065 September 14th, 2023

@cyanPlatypus6370

Know the feeling when someone that affects/effects you in a positive way and then they "move on". Have had my fair share of those. The positive is I am still friends with them and if I need, can always count on them to be there.

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cyanPlatypus6370 September 15th, 2023

@Barltik2065

Hmm, Barltik.... I might ask about this too, depending. I work with this person in her job; as such she has been available only 8am to 4pm on M-F. But we do share some things in common - in work but also in just life stuff. I might ask for her info or pers. onal add .ress and maybe we can meet with the dogs at the dog park or something. It certainly wouldn't hurt to ask. <3 Platy

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Barltik2065 September 18th, 2023

@cyanPlatypus6370

There you go. Platonic support :)

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YourCaringConfidant September 14th, 2023

@cyanPlatypus6370 Awwww, I'm so sorry to hear your special support person is leaving but I'm proud of you for recognizing your feelings. Sometimes we grow such great bonds with people that when they leave is, it's normal to miss them. You didn't mention when you're support person was leaving their job, but I do hope that for whatever time there is left that you are able to enjoy their presence. Sending great big hugs your way, Platypus.

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cyanPlatypus6370 September 15th, 2023

@YourCaringConfidant Thank you much, Caring. Thankfully she is not leaving immediately, so I will have a meeting or two yet before she's just gone. Sad thing though. Generally yes, and also sad because her last week will end Oct 6th. Which just happens to be the week of my birthday! Saying goodbye to a trusted friend (okay she's at work when with me, but you know), is certainly not something I would plan for anywhere around my birthday. She is someone I've trusted with a lot - and perhaps because of that, I will miss having her to talk with. <3 Platy

P.S. This Platy who usually desires and needs more hugs than the general public (or so it feels), certainly could use all the hugs she can get in the next 3 weeks or so. (one sad Platy over here.)

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blitheSun94 OP November 6th, 2023

@cyanPlatypus6370

Yes, I am here. This is one of my favorite posts in fact. I’ve just been on a self care break. I hope all is well.

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cyanPlatypus6370 November 10th, 2023

Hello there @blitheSun94 !  I think it would be more accurately typed " All is ... well," ... It is well with my soul and therefore I am never alone, for that I am thankful.  It is shaping up to be a very interesting middle to end of November for Platy up here.  Plans and preparing for American Thanksgiving Day and the weekend after... we work so hard on plans and then 'everything' gets all messed up anyway, eh?  ah well.  Took my beautiful SST to her doctor yesterday, took my self to my doctor's office today, too much of doctors for us this week and next!  So I think tomorrow (Friday) might be a crash, relax, and/or do nothing kind of day.  Could be a very good day for "watching" TV or a movie on the floor while trying to snuggle with my SST.  She doesn't like to snuggle much, I think she gets hot, but I want to snuggle *with* her so much!  Okay this is longer than I intended...  'Night :)  Platy 

@sunisshiningandsoareyou @moj @affyavo @fristo @yourcaringconfidant @communitymodelliott @trueconfidant123 @anomalia @internalacceptance

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blitheSun94 OP November 16th, 2023

@cyanPlatypus6370

Thank you for your thoughtful reply, as always. I definitely know today and tomorrow will be a down and nothing day for me. Enjoy your rest guilt-free. The dishes can wait. 💫

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