I realized I'd do evil things to get into Heaven
Which ironically might mean I'm too evil to go there.
I'm supporting a cause I hate because I think God wants me to. It makes me sick when I think of the implications. People are going to suffer so much. I'm mainly doing it so I won't be miserable forever in ***.
I don't know what I wouldn't do to get into Heaven. It seems
@TheMisfit
It seems that any suffering I could cause on Earth would be insignificant compared to eternal misery in the bad place.
@TheMisfit
What do you mean evil things?
@linvi
I don't want to admit or fully acknowledge what I'd do. The idea is terrifying. What wouldn't you do to avoid eternal torture?
@TheMisfit
The way I see it there's no fighting to get into heaven. There's not like limited seating. You only have to fight to keep yourself kind and doing good
Malice doesn't get anyone what they want in a way that gets them into heaven, but I believe nothing is set either so you have your life ahead of you to fight every day not to fight into heaven, but only to escape bad intentions and bad acts.
The only thing you need to do is strive to be a genuinely kind person, there is no violence that needs to happen :)
These are all my beliefs but I thought I'd share
@TheMisfit What makes you think God wants you to support that cause? Is there not something different you feel you could put your resources behind that you don't hate AND you think God wants you to support it instead?
@AffyAvo
It's an issue I think I have to take a stance on. Abortion. I think God is pro-life. I don't know when we get souls. Possibly as soon as we get brains, which I believe is around six weeks into pregnancy. I think God thinks human life is precious, but I'm more concerned about the excruciating suffering that can be caused by an unplanned pregnancy. But I'd better follow God's conscience rather than my own.
@TheMisfit Hello misfit, your post caught my eye.
I'm a former Catholic, now atheist and my stance is probably leaning towards pro-life (for non-religious reasons). I agree, that abortion is definitely a difficult topic, and there's a variety of issues surrounding it (ex. What if the mother died? What if she was r***** or it involved inc***?)
I think it's good that you're questioning the decision of whether you feel it is right or wrong in your heart.
Maybe talk to a religious leader to a community you go to?
Or you can even check out pro-choice views and see if there are other religious or spiritual people who are pro-choice to get their perspective? See both sides to understand why you feel conflicted.
I wish you luck and hope you get some peace.
@TheMisfit I noticed you mentioned souls in your post, depending on your religious views if can vary. As a former Catholic, they believed that babies don't officially go to heaven unless baptized. So even if they are to be born, they wouldn't go to heaven until then...
I mentioned this in my other post, but maybe talking to a religious leader in your community to see why he/she is pro-life, then also maybe find other religious communities that are pro-choice and go with what YOU feel is right in your heart, nobody else.
Your well-being matters. Your thoughts matter. Your feelings matter. Do what you feel in your heart is right. I'd also recommend researching too.
I ended up an atheist after studying a few other religions (not saying you will end up like me), and I ended up finding my own truth. You have to find what yours is and stay true to yourself. Again, I wish you peace and hope things become more clear for you soon.
@TheMisfit It's one thing to see it as wrong, but another to actually be active about it.
So why is this cause the one to take up? You don't need to share here, maybe you don't even know the answer yet yourself. Hopefully the question can help you.
@TheMisfit It sounds a bit like you’re debating with yourself. Which of you will win the debate? Will you use pure reason, emotion or something else to frame your argument? How will you know that you are convinced of your own argument? Once convinced one way or the other, how certain will you be? 100%, 50%, 35%? And finally, what percentage is good enough to leave this question and go on to the many others you will undoubtedly ask in the years to come?
@TheMisfit abortion is the most difficult decision a woman faces.
Another option is giving them up for adoption if your health is not at risk going full term.
@TheMisfit
This is politics. Abortion isn't discussed anywhere in the Bible. And it also says "all sins are equal in the eyes of the Lord". If you accept that then turn to God for everything it will be a lot easier for your conscience.
@TheMisfit the notion of a loving God and the suffering you're going through / you're willing to let people go through are not mutually compatible. I'm being very honest here: the way you speak, the crippling fear of ***, sounds terribly similar to most people with religious trauma. These people were convinced to believe a version of religion that is deeply traumatizing. Religion can be twisted by people to serve their own purposes, what you think you know about heaven and *** may not necessarily be true. Have you considered that possibly your conscience might be right?
@TheMisfit I heard about an idea that I am still pondering.
Heaven is a state of mind. H***l is a state of mind.
So the question I am pondering is what kind of a mind feels like it is peaceful and calm - in other words in heaven?
What kind of mind feels like it is confused and agitated - in other words in H***?
I cannot imagine me doing evil things and feeling good about it. I cannot imagine me doing kind and compassionate things and not feeling good about it. I am starting to look at my own mind as the source of my happiness, or if I am not careful, my suffering.
