The Thinking Space Room Problems
I really think the thinking space room needs to be shut down or heavily monitored, a lot of people or members in there can be rude, abusive, sexual and many more things I won't go into. It is not helping 7 cups spread positivity or support at all. Please do something about it, thanks.
"there is a chat room on the internet where people make jokes I don't like and it's against the rules "
@NeoNeoNeoNeonPrune
Neo, some of these "jokes" are really hard on people
@NeoNeoNeoNeonPrune - Please keep your tone respectful! It's okay to have different opinions than others and express them, but we want to keep this a productive conversation.
@Anomalia
wtf? double standard much? I was just doing what she did to show her how childish of a comment she made. 7C has the worst admins and moderators of any site I"ve ever been to. This is far from the first time stuff like this is happening.
@NeoNeoNeoNeonPrune- focus on yourself and let others focus on themselves.
"she did it first" or "they started it" are not really good justifications for our own behavior, are they?
@KrinkTheMellowUnicorn
I turned her logic against her to point out her childish behaviour. Then I get told by a moderator to behave better while the post I responded to didn't get reprimanded at all.
@NeoNeoNeoNeonPrune - Again I say it is more fruitful to focus on oneself than on the behaviors of others.
You replied: I turned her logic against her to point out her childish behaviour.
But why? Why "turn her logic against her"? Is this a contest? Why point out someone else's behavior and in so doing behave badly ourselves? Where's the value in that? How about demonstrating adult behavior?
Then I get told by a moderator to behave better while the post I responded to didn't get reprimanded at all.
Sounds like your plan to "turn" something "against" someone kind of backfired? Why does it matter if she got reprimanded?
How about trying to find constructive solutions to problems here and putting less energy into winning and argument or trying to make someone else look bad?
@KrinkTheMellowUnicorn
Because it's the best way to get my point across. On top her first offense the only offense I made is just tit for tat.
Even if you disagree with me you still haven't shown any regret for the moderation in this situation or that you take my critique serious, which to me gives an impression that you are just here to put me down and defend Anamolia and don't really care about giving your honest opinion on Anamolia's moderation just now.
@NeoNeoNeoNeonPrune - As I responded before, I gave each of you a 'warning' so to speak. Because I edited a different post of Aly's, I felt it was redundant to comment again on this one, whereas I had not already sent a reminder to you. You are welcome to disagree with how I approached the situation, and if you would like to talk about it further, you can PM me directly.
@WilleZurMacht "tit for tat" is exactly my point. it is unproductive and goes nowhere.
conflict for its own sake is not the point of this site.
@Anomalia as far as I can tell explained her moderation just fine.
@KrinkTheMellowUnicorn. Be good if you could take your own advice and be that example
@NeoNeoNeoNeonPrune - You can also notice that I edited one of her posts below for unsupportive comments. I didn't feel yours required editing/deleting, but felt it still warranted a reminder. No double standard, just me posting as I feel appropriate to keep tones civil so that we don't fall into nasty arguments or personal attacks down the line.
If you wish to discuss further, you are welcome to PM me.
Ah yes, one of the reasons I left the very room we are discussing...because people can't resist calling me childish....mmmm
"and it's against the rules"
Yeah if a site can't enforce its own rules it's a poorly managed site. Sure, continue joking about me. [edited by Anomalia for unsupportive content] That's why I'm here on this forum and not in that room anymore.
And I mean if jokes about specific members are considered okay then I guess I signed on to the wrong site. And the wrong damn planet lol
Did tumblr and 4chan and reddit really get too boring for y'all? I'm really, really not understanding why people chose this site to get their thrills from.
@Alystem
I saw, yet you're not locked out of the discussion, my original account is.
I'd like an honest answer, i was being very polite.
I don't know what I'm answering since the posts were removed
@Alystem
Incredibly dishonest of the OP to warrant a discussion about what goes on in Thinking Space, just to censor when legitemate criticism to the statement is given.
I'm confused...
@Alystem
I am as well, i would like an explaination from whoever erased our comments.
I'm not entirely sure if it was intentional. If someone was "censoring", many of my more ...deserving...comments would have already been removed/modified by now. Idk. This site has so many glitches, I wouldnt even be surprised anymore if it was in fact just a glitch.
@SuperDuperBrutalityChan - OP can't delete posts. only forum mods and admins can.
@KrinkTheMellowUnicorn I see, is it logged when someone actually "cleans up" a forum thread? i'd like to know, i didn't do anything wrong.
...which is why it might have been a mistake or glitch, because it makes no sense for those posts to have been deleted.
@Alystem
Doesn't hurt to check, it feels too specific to be just a glitch.
@SuperDuperBrutalityChan - logged in a sense. it's like journaled data so changes can be filled back.
whomever moderated the posts ought say why I believe. often the post is left but edited to remove unsupportive content.
not sure who's been modding around here today.
I have admin privilege but rarely use them, most often to fix a typo or two.
@KrinkTheMellowUnicorn
Hmm, how does that explain that Alystem is fine, but PentagramSuperstarChan got locked out? very strange.
@SuperDuperBrutalityChan - I don't know how or whether an account was locked out but there is an antispam mechhanism on the forum and when a new account posts too many times too quickly it is treated like spam and removed.
This prevents ads for ugg boots or whatever from filling up the forums.
@SuperDuperBrutalityChan If I am not mistaken, when someone removes or edits a post, they are supposed to PM you or notify you in some way....so maybe it is a glitch.
@mscoxie
That is correct--this is the rule. Can you confirm this @MonBon?
I'm intrigued to know why my (As PentagramSuperstarChan) comments were removed?
Some of mine were removed too.
@Alystem - I suspect the initial posts got caught by the spam filter (new account that posts too much to forums gets posts deleted) and your replies went with them.
My account isn't new, I've been here for months and posted in the forums plenty of times...hm
@SuperDuperBrutalityChan @Alystem - I've addressed below the best I can without knowing exactly what was deleted.
Hi all,
I can't speak to why specific comments were removed as I didn't see them, but in general, our goal is not to delete unless a comment is wholly unsupportive (e.g., being abusive to another member with no other content). If points are being made, but with abusive language, comments may be edited to remove abusive content but leave the meaning behind the post.
I have made one edit in this thread, which was to remove the long tangent about 'Boo Hoo Hoo' because it was about 10 threads, all seemingly attacking different individuals or just expressing confusion as to what was going on with the 'joke' and it didn't add anything to the conversation. As I said, I can't speak to the other posts that have disappeared. If you remember any specifics, you're welcome to PM me directly and I'll let you know if I have thoughts on what may have happened.
In the meantime, I'll continue to follow this thread and ask that those who have been monitoring it be very careful about what you are editing or deleting. If you're not sure, you can always PM me first and I'm happy to take responsibility for it.
And a reminder to everyone - the forums are a great place to have discussion. We don't want to censor anyone's opinions as they are all valid, but please do remember to be respectful to each other when expressing them.
@Anomalia
Thank you for clarifying and explaining this!
@Laura @Anomalia - I don't think anyone moderated forum posts. I think one of the thread posters was in a new account and exceeded the number of posts in the amount of time new accounts are allowed to make (as a spam defense), triggering their deletion (they can be restored by asking @devTeam) along with any replies attached to them.
That's my working theory, anyway.
Ofcourse it also doesn't help much that moderators end discussions that are serious, on the basis that it must be kept "light-hearted". This usually happens, actually.
@NeoNeoNeoNeonPrune
Can you explain a bit more on this, please? Perhaps an example?
We are trying to make it a bit more of a supportive environment. Any supportive suggestions will help us.
@Eunoia
It actually might've been you this morning, I forgot. But anyways, we were talking about morality and if it's an animalistic instinct, a human trait, or a divine ability given to us by god (I think was what someone argued). And then a moderator came online and told us to move onto a different topic because the room is for lighthearted discussions that mod said.
So that makes it difficult I think to have thoughtful conversations. It was kept respectful, some people were disagreeing, but you can only have a discussion if people disagree with eachother, you can't have a thoughtful discussion if people don't disagree with eachother, I think.
@NeoNeoNeoNeonPrune
I agree with you there. As far as I know, people are asked to move on from a discussion if there's a huge chance of conflict(which is a lot bigger than difference in opinions) like for example about country politics or religious issues etc. I don't think I was really out moderating much today btw.
@Eunoia
Yeah I forgot who the moderator was.
But how are we supposed to have thoughtful discussion if we can't talk about countries, politics, religion, morals, sex, gender, racism? In my experience that's like 90% of the stuff I think about and can discuss about and all conversations end up at some point to stuff like that.
@NeoNeoNeoNeonPrune
I understand what you mean, But most of the time, in my experience,those discussions have a way of turning into arguments and sometimes those views of different people on those topics can be hurtful too. And most times, discussions on countries, racism, sex etc are not supportive. Maybe guided discussions can be better though. What do you think about guided discussions?
@NeoNeoNeoNeonPrune - Based on what you describe that does sound like heavy-handed moderating to me. Of course, I wasn't there.
Any topic can become polarizing so it would make more sense to me to hold off on asking people to change the subject unless there are signs of a serious conflict or problem brewing.
@NeoNeoNeoNeonPrune
That is really odd that a mod was asking you to move on. It is a heavy subject but that is what TS is for... thoughtful conversations. I mean if the conversation was being respectfully held then it is fine to talk about those things. It was wrong for that mod to come in and ask you all to change the subject, as TS is for those types of conversations.
So I understand what you mean how it makes it hard to have thoughtful conversations.
I don't TS is for light hearted chat as well.
Thinking space imo is a room that attracts newbies by the title but the semantics of the room has somehow been moulded by people who are considered outlaws in other rooms. Very few who want to fit in, stay and evolve. I've seen this happen with the mods as well. Any mod who's new to TS tries to impose rules and inhibit the conversation the moment it starts to hike beyond their capability. But they soon understand the dynamics of the room and realize how chaos is the only way the members of the room are at peace and they go easy on the rules as time progresses.
What I do not comprehend is the hate it receives from the rest of the site. There are several other rooms available to cater your specific needs and offer the support you need in the exact form you wish it. TS functions perfectly to the dysfunctional regulars healing them in unexplainable techniques. How is it fair to deprive them of the aid just because it's considered insensitive by a few?
I do feel there should be more discussions though not necessarily restricted to politics or ethics or philosophy. Everything is an intellectual conversation/ discussion when you dissect it enough.
Labeling a certain list of topics as intellectual is immature and imposing such conversations as one or a few members please is uncertain too. The discussions could be frequent as well as diverse.
And to all the TS haters, Nobody is on this site without a reason. Coping mechanism varies exceedingly with each individual. TS is a room which boxes those who cannot fit elsewhere; which in no way implies we aren't seeking help. Just don't hate us.
@W3llThatSettlesIt
I do feel there should be more discussions though not necessarily restricted to politics or ethics or philosophy. Everything is an intellectual conversation/ discussion when you dissect it enough.
I fully agree but in practicality it doesn't always work that way. Politics and philosophy tends to attract more thoughtful people and more thoughtful discussion, while with casual topics a lot of people tend to have a hard time giving more than just simple answers. With a good host I think you can turn any topic into a thoughtful discussion but the moderator should be up to the task. Even when asking intellectual questions, on intellectual topics, people tend to give unintelligent answers or barely explain themselves. So you need someone I think who is tactful and is able to guide people into the right direction. But again, this is just if people actually want to have these discussion.
@NeoNeoNeoNeonPrune
Politics and Philosophy tend to attract more thoughtful people? I sincerely think you are categorizing thoughtfulness and intelligence based on your interests. A constructed proposal of your concern doesn't necessarily have to mean it is intellectual not to forget how subjective intelligence is. But yes. To successfully hold on a discussion, an able mod is essential and I think it's easy to request for one whom we think might be suitable coz the mods almost always are ready for it.
@W3llThatSettlesIt
Oh Settles 
I feel the same way.
Yup, name calling, harassing, passive aggressive comments, etc are valid coping mechanisms that we all fully support. aayyyy? ;)
Have fun in the ball pit chilluns ;)
I agree. Thinking Space makes me severely uncomfortable. It needs to either be monitored or shut down, and I honestly wouldn't mind either. I'm never going into that room ever again, people attacked me in there...
