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Jamen1 July 7th

We see great potential for caring, supportive ministry through this community. 

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HopieRemi July 9th

@Jamen1

Is this community related to this

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AffyAvo July 12th

@HopieRemi I'm pretty much in the dark about this community too, but I found this link which mentions 7cups - https://www.thechurchcares.com/

Seems like the 2 sites are different groups as far as I can see.

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HopieRemi July 13th

@AffyAvo

Sounds like the one you linked is the right one then. Just by the looks of it, it does sound like something meaningful and useful. I will reserve judgements until I see what the community brings. 

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vowedmama September 13th

Glad to see the interest among 7cups folks.

The Church Cares is a collaborating organization with 7 cups.  So people within 7 cups who are connected to a church community can use their 7 cups account and training to help live people in their local church community.  This is a new collaboration so we would welcome ideas from experienced 7 cups listeners- how do you think you could use what you do here to connect with a local in-person church community you are part of?

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QuietMagic September 18th

@vowedmama

Hi, thanks for clarifying what this community is!

Honestly, I think the "The Church Cares" community is currently at a disadvantage compared to many other communities on this site in terms of being able to make an impact and help people, for a few reasons.

1) Most communities on this site are self-explanatory

If I go to the "Depression" community, I know beforehand that the primary/target audience is "people experiencing depression" and the value proposition that the community is offering is "emotional support and resources/information related to depression". If there's any confusion, most active communities also have "About" and "Resource" sections where people can quickly understand the purpose of the community and quickly find self-help for problems they're experiencing.

When I come to this community, I don't immediately know what "The Church Cares" is, who its target audience is, or what value it has to offer me or other people. The "About" section is blank. It takes some digging to find the post within this thread explaining what the community is. It takes several more clicks, navigating to an *external website*, and *opening up a video* to find actual information/support that substantially furthers the purpose of this community.

2) Most communities on this site are secular/non-religious

95% of communities on this site are non-religious. The only exception I can readily think of is Religion & Spirituality. When I first saw this community, my initial reaction was confusion/distrust simply because I'm not used to seeing a religious community. Other users have had a similar reaction.

This sort of goes back to the 1st point. This community is so unusual that the stakes are even higher in terms of needing to clearly explain the purpose of this community, who it's designed to help, and immediately offering something valuable that people can use.

3) Most communities on this site are organic

Communities tend to be run by users who have been active on 7 Cups (and specifically active in the 7 Cups forums or group chatrooms) for a while and are familiar with the site's culture, norms, and terminology.

4) Most communities on this site have a broad user base

If I'm understanding, the targeted audience for this community is people who are:
a) Christian
b) AND regularly attending church
c) AND seeking to minister to others within their local church
d) AND seeking to minister to others *specifically* by offering mental health support/resources

That feels like a pretty niche audience. Do people who fall outside this audience still have an opportunity to participate or benefit in some way?

Example #1: I don't self-identify as a Christian (I fail the very first checkbox lol), but I'm interested in many religions including Christianity, and I'm curious about the connections between Christian spirituality and mental health. I also regularly offer support to people who are Christian, which makes it important for me to understand how to operate within a Christian worldview and respect its assumptions.

I'd love to learn more about things like pastoral care, mental health ministry, and the unique opportunities and challenges that come with offering psychological support within a Christian context. Maybe there are things that would be especially helpful for listeners to keep in mind if they're supporting someone who is Christian? Are there any universal themes that apply across all sects/denominations of Christianity? Differences between sects/denominations in best practices for applying mental health support? I'd love to learn about stuff like this.

Example #2: I do not have a personality disorder, but I'm currently a leader for the Personality Disorders community and have been able to do a lot of good because of the flexible/inclusive philosophy of that community. Many of the people who post in the Personality Disorders community do not have diagnosed personality disorders, but they feel an affinity with themes of certain disorders and are still able to receive support. Many of the resources within the Personality Disorders community are designed to be helpful or informative even if someone doesn't have a personality disorder. Often people will come to the community asking for help in understanding or supporting loved ones with personality disorders. The community has a target audience, but people outside of that target audience are still able to participate and benefit.

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Some ideas for growing this community and making an impact:

1) Be clear/communicative about what your purpose is, who you're aiming to help, and what you have to offer that will help people and give them a reason to visit and participate in this community.

2) Consider expanding your target audience, or if not then clarify what your relationship is to the many users on this site who will fall outside of your target audience.

3) Observe other active communities on this site and replicate some of what they're doing (e.g. discussion threads, resource threads, icebreaker threads, dedicated leaders).

4) Leverage your special connection to 7 Cups site leadership to ask for guidance/assistance.

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vowedmama September 19th

@QuietMagic

I appreciate real thought and intent that is in your response.  I read this as you want 7 cups to be a space that is welcoming and safe for everyone.  I agree! You are catching on that we are a new forum and just beginning to fully be a part of 7 cups.   I've actually been watching 7 cups develop since it started at the VERY beginning and supporting it but I hadn't jumped into forums and things myself.  So this is my foray into that.  Thanks for the welcome!

I would think of TCC as though a non-denominational, ecumenical group of people who are open to church folks helping each other.  That's who would likely join this forum to have a conversation.  Just like you can either walk into the church down the street from your house, or drive right on by.  Your choice.  If you don't do church, or don't do Christianity- you are very welcome here but this just may not fit your life at this point.

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DWaldheim September 19th

@Jamen1

Looking forward to this wonderful resource and how it will support the body of Christ! TCC covers a wide range of common and salient topics (e.g., Marriage and Family concerns), and provides very supportive resources for navigating them!

TCC will help the body of Christ to think about how it can “bear each other’s burdens” (Galatians 6:2), especially in this time of increasing loneliness and despair. Moreover, TCC will equip the church to do  life with one other, have substantive conversations about real concerns, and be better attuned to the hurting, needing, marginalized, and/or neglected (e.g., people with disabilities). 

An exciting resource! 

lovepeoplewell September 19th

@Jamen1 Looking forward to being a part of this faith-based community to offer encouragement and support to people ministering in our churches around the globe. Mental Health Awareness is so important as we spend time with people in our churches and communities to best know how to minister well. The Church Cares seems to be a great place of learning and collaborating together as we minister to people in broken places. Excited to be here. 

jamensells September 19th

Grateful to the growing number of people who are joining this thread.  I caught my self wondering about the opening word--grateful. I am wondering about that word.  we know how researchers identify it as among the most important requirements to a healthy flourshing life.  

But my woundedness interferes with my ability to be grateful.  I am aware of holding up a wall--guarding against gratitude--lest I be wounded again. My hurt and my gratitude collide.  And hurt usually wins.  What do people do to strengthen gratitude? Please don't take down the yellow brick road of "triteness"--I say nice things about the wheather when its sunny...and when its cloudy...and when its rainy... etc.  In the church tradition is gratitude the same as denial--can there be a good denial and a bad denial?  Can i be grateful and scared?  Can I be grateful and angry?  Can I have two opposing ideas coexist?  

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QuietMagic September 20th

@jamensells

I really appreciate these questions. 💜

For me, it feels like a key thing here is... if I feel hurt/scared/angry, being *allowed* to feel that way. It makes things more complicated if there's a voice that pops up and is judging that woundedness (or the defensive structures around it):

1) Self-judgment: "What's wrong with me? I'm supposed to be grateful, but here I am feeling miserable, pessimistic, etc. I'm a bad Christian."

2) External judgment: "Why are you so gloomy? Be glad that Jesus has risen. Be full of praise at all times. All things that God has created are full of His goodness and love. You dishonor God's love and gift of grace by not feeling gratitude."

#2 might be correct on an abstract/theological level, but the manner in which it's expressed here has some of that "triteness" where... it's a one-size-fits-all perspective that isn't engaging sincerely with the lived reality of the unique/specific person that's right here, connecting with their personal situation and all of its complexities, and working from within their experiences to find spontaneous/intuitive connections back to a doctrinal perspective.

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Some ways I might personally try to operationalize gratitude (i.e. finding goodness) that feel compatible with the existence of suffering:

1) "I don't like this situation or the way I feel, but if this is how things are then I have to figure out what to do with that. Let me work realistically/pragmatically with what's here, consider what resources I have, and figure out what's the best that I'm able to do with what I've been given."

[The "goodness" is the beneficial resources, strategy, or cognitive framing that I'm still able to find within an imperfect situation--without denying/erasing the fact that it's an imperfect situation or forcing myself to feel happier or think more positively than I naturally would.]

2) "There's a reason that I feel the way that I do. Let me trust that this feeling has something worthwhile that it needs me to hear. Let me talk with it, connect with its energy, and see if it points in the direction of something that wants/needs to change."

[The "goodness" is the wisdom or logic embedded within my own 'bad' feelings that gives those feelings a redemptive, constructive, meaningful purpose and a valid reason for existing. The suffering is real and my reactions to that suffering are understandable, but everything has a reason for being there and it all makes sense.]

3) "There's a vulnerability here that won't stop crying/screaming for help. I can't explain it away or reason with it without it feeling ignored or rejected. Let me just let that feeling be what it is. It wants me to let it exist without trying to coercively change it and turn it into something 'better'. You're allowed to be what you are. I accept you. Let me just hug that feeling, accept it, love it, see it, and be gentle with it until it feels cared for."

[The "goodness" is my own non-violent, kind, caring, accepting, yielding stance toward whatever I am. Things that are hurting get hugs. <3]

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I imagine there might a 4th type of gratitude that would be along the lines of "no matter what is happening, there is an eternal, unchanging, living presence of God at all times in the background that offers a kind of peace amidst all circumstances", but I don't personally have direct experience with that.

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sebeth September 22nd

I am so grateful for the Church Cares and its ability to connect people with a variety of experiences! What an incredible opportunity to learn in love while collaborating with others.


I've been reflecting about the church’s role in ministry and caring for others and was reminded of 2 Corinthians 1:3-6 which says, “Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of compassion and the God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our troubles, so that we can comfort those in any trouble with the comfort we ourselves receive from God. For just as we share abundantly in the sufferings of Christ, so also our comfort abounds through Christ. If we are distressed, it is for your comfort and salvation; if we are comforted, it is for your comfort, which produces in you patient endurance of the same sufferings we suffer.”


How incredible to share heavenly comfort with those around us who are hurting and in need of tender care. This passage encouraged me this week, and I hope it encourages those on this thread as well!


hanben1020 September 23rd

Just wanted to share about supporting mental health in the church. I’ve been hearing a lot of people in congregations who both need help and want to help. I know first half how hard and long- and lonely- the wait can be for services. I am excited to see how the church can walk with people wherever they are on their mental health journey! 

wellnesswayfarer September 26th

Mmental health can be a tough topic to bring up, especially in faith communities where there still may be a lot of stigma. But that’s exactly why it’s so important for churches to be involved in supporting mental health.

Churches are often a big part of people’s lives, offering community, guidance, and emotional support. When a church openly talks about mental health, it helps break down barriers and shows that it’s okay to not be okay.

I believe that you don’t have to belong to the same denomination, or even believe in God, to benefit. Whether you come from a different Christian tradition, another faith, or no faith at all, churches can still be a safe, supportive place to find help and connect with others.

By working with resources like the Church Cares, churches can offer real support that respects where people are coming from without judgment. Together we can work to equip helpers, encourage people to get the help they need, and build communities where everyone feels accepted.

goodWillow6626 September 26th

@Jamen1 I am so excited about this. I run a few online platforms with over 300k followers that are all Christians who are looking to either help or get help. There is a lot more need in this department than people realize and the church is becoming really open to these issues. I am super excited to have somewhere to send people to! Thank you for making this. 😊

NFlores0330 September 26th

Hi all, I'm happy to be here! I'm thankful to have a platform to discuss mental health and the church. The Church Cares offers a training for everyday people to learn listening skills and ways to help those who are having mental health struggles in the church. I have gone through the training and benefited so much! Here is the link to the introduction video if anyone is interested in this :) 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olt0IDsfDM0