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the new overly "robust" censor

jennysunrise8 November 12th, 2018

so now we cant say the phraise " is it easy to fall asleep? " but this phraise is perfectly fine > " do you go to sleep faster? "

because i cant see why is it easy to fall asleep sets off alarm bells it took me 4 tries before i was able to finally able to get a message through yesterday 9 times before i finally was able to rearrange the words and it ended up being wording that was even more imperceptable than is it easy to fall asleep

listeners need a list of word combinations that cannot be used or the censor needs to relax thank goodness in chat response time isnt being timed but this can affect response time even in the beginning anytime this definately affects response time listeners not having the list of innocent wording that should be reworded or response time is going to be affected its not fair to punish listeners for slow response time when its so difficult saying the simplest things getting it through the censor

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RarelyCharlie November 13th, 2018

Seems to me this is just one example of a systemic problem at 7 Cups. We identify a problem in the community, and we have trouble fixing it within the community, so we try to fix the community problem using software. But the software is badly designed and fails to address the problem. And in addition the software has bugs that there is resistance to fixing.

In this case the problem in the community is that someone got upset by the perfectly harmless abbreviation ASL, meaning "age, sex, location".

Instead of solving the actual problem (which was that someone in the community got upset) we tried to fix the problem using software.

But the software is badly designed—it doesn't actually parse the message that it's censoring. In this case it mindlessly censors ASL even when it means American Sign Language.

And in addition there's a bug—someone forgot to include word boundaries around "ASL", so it wrongly censors "asleep". The censor has always had well-known bugs that have never been fixed.

I don't think listeners should have to memorize a list of word combinations. In fact the list is public (possibly because someone forgot to hide it properly), but I don't believe knowing the list is the right approach. The right approach, I think, is to fix the systemic problem that got us in this mess. If that's too hard, then at the very least design software that addresses the problem.


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jennysunrise8 OP November 14th, 2018

@RarelyCharlie i head about that yesterday thats whats being censored the word asleep i wonder though if its intentional or unintentional - if someone is banning the word asleep intentionally because they believe someone would hide "asl " in a word so they are banning all words that have asl which is extreme and also paranoia (and unfortunately i have to say thats very possible considering other decisions that have been made that go to extremes and based on making wild assuptions) or if its just an accident hopefully its just an accident that they are interested in fixing time will tell if its seen as a bug or something thats necessary because people are hiding asl in words and it must be stopped i agree the problem is with the person thats upset making the decision and their reasoning exactly ;)

anyone coming across this thread - you can suggest things that should be changed to the censor (i can see a few problems this might cause words and phraises being added including what if one person thinks it should be banned and another person thinks it shouldnt be is it going to be constantly changing?) so hopefully common sense is involved time will tell anyways here is the form > https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScOYDIsgeWmqr4e5hKpTFZ_TC7CnG7OB1DV6mhocHx1kWYWzQ/viewform

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RarelyCharlie November 14th, 2018

The "asleep" thing is just a bug. Someone will eventually fix it, I suppose. But the system as a whole is unfixable, in my opinion, and should be redesigned.


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