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An Interview With @AffyAvo on Hereditary Angioedema♥

FrenchMarbles May 21st, 2022
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To commemorate HAE Awareness Day, I would like to ask you some questions regarding your experiences and to foster positive discussion in our community. For reader's clarification - HAE means Hereditary angioedema.


*Trigger warning* For those who have emetophobia (the word is mentioned, no details) or needle phobias (no graphic details)




Question (1): Since HAE is a genetic condition, did your parents also have HAE? Were you aware that you would have this condition from childhood?


No, I have a de novo mutation which is a fancy way of saying new, which is true for about 25% of people with HAE. I had never heard of the condition until I was told my C1 inhibitor function was low.


Question (2): Most times during early childhood or adolescence a person may not recognize the symptoms associated with HAE until later. Was this the same for you, how was your experience with HAE progressively?


It has definitely gotten worse overtime for me, I think due to other health problems. In hindsight, I can recognize attacks I had as a child though. For example, I went to the emergency room as a young child from a bug bite as my entire face was swollen. A hairline fracture resulted in swelling way beyond what was normal for the injury. I also lived with abnormal things that were considered to be minor that I highly suspect were attacks, like a lot of frequent vomiting that I would get over quickly and sore throats. I do have asthma and allergies, so I think that made it easy for doctors to just handwave away my symptoms.


Question (3): What kind of symptoms do you experience because of hereditary angioedema?


The main thing is it causes severe swelling, that’s the defining feature of an attack. With that comes pain and general discomfort. Depending on where the swelling is it can cause things like gastrointestinal problems, voice changes and difficulty breathing or seeing. I have completely lost my voice before because of it. There are also both prodromes and postdrome symptoms that occur before and after. I tend to get pretty severe fatigue and malaise both before and after and sometimes mood changes or a sense of doom beforehand.


Question (4): Was it difficult for your partner to learn how to best support you?


He actually learned how to give me my medications extremely well quickly. I had a lot of fear when I first got diagnosed though and his favourite phrase at that time was don’t worry about it. He learned that wasn’t helping and after a while, we would laugh when we caught him saying that. He also did have a great deal of stress with getting my IVs started, as even though he was really good they didn’t always work on the first try or sometimes would stop part way through. So he had to learn to deal with that stress and we both did much better when a subcutaneous option was available.


I think he used to brush off how bad it could be, a few years into my diagnosis we went to an educational session and the number of people with tracheostomies (a hole in the neck to the airway) or scars from previous ones was a wakeup call for him.


Question (5): You’ve been on 7 Cups since 2014. How has the community of people diagnosed with HAE grown, and the disability support community in general?


The HAE community on 7 Cups is mostly me, although I did come here based on someone with HAE who shared their referral link in an online group. Every now and then I meet someone else who has it or another type of angioedema. Off of Cups, it has grown a ton and the ‘rare’ status may be dropped as diagnosis rates improve.


The disability community has grown so much! When I first showed up we had one forum that wasn’t divided into categories beyond ‘disability’ Shortly after that guided discussions were a thing and people like you stepped up to do some disability ones (yes! @FrenchMarbles was one of the early discussion hosts!) and we got our own 24/7 group chat room shortly after that. Even with those things, many people on the site were confused about why someone with a physical illness would be here. I actually started the chronic pain and illness forums and eventually those were combined with disability and the subcommunity formed. Since then the disability subcommunity has grown and I look forward to seeing where it goes!


I’m so thankful for people like @DonaldK (who started the disability forum) and the early disability session hosts, they gave me a place to be when I came here and likely wouldn’t have stuck around without a dedicated place.


Question (6): What challenges did you face from when you were diagnosed with HAE till now?


At first, there was just a huge learning curve and a lot of fear. At that time the only medication in Canada was an IV c1 inhibitor, so my very first treatment was combined with IV training. That did NOT go well, I was pretty much unconscious by the end of it. Besides the fear of self-starting and IV, there was also the fear that if I had a throat attack and didn’t get it done quickly I could die.


Funnily enough, even when I stitched to subcutaneous injections which are WAY easier I was still freezing up at times, so I went off to more therapy to deal with that phobia which was well worth it. I wish I would have done more therapy earlier on.


Learning triggers was also very difficult, I have a lot and I suspect I will learn more with time. Being active is one so just learning to really listen to my body and that threshold took a lot of trial and error.


I also always figured I had an undiagnosed problem that made the HAE much worse, as it did worsen considerably leading up to my diagnosis. My symptoms and test results also backed that up, but everything was fairly generalized. It actually turns out I have tumours. It is a rare condition so I haven’t shared much about that on 7 Cups to keep some anonymity. When those were first found it was assumed by multiple doctors that I had very advanced cancer and no one really gave me a timeline but it wasn’t good. I was literally told to have no hope.


Sidenote - I actually came to 7 Cups that day and told some people I was dying, so to anyone who was there and didn’t hear updated info, I wasn’t lying, just misinformed! The support and love I got during that time were invaluable!


So at this point, it’s figuring out ‘normal’ again between that and issues that cascaded from that. Plus throw in COVID and connected problems like right now a healthcare system that is crumbling and processing trauma, figuring out how to interact with healthcare that has really let me down at times.


Question (7): What valuable lessons/experiences have you had living with HAE?


Advocacy! When I was first diagnosed I joined online groups about HAE. Most of them were American and I would hear horror stories of emergency room experiences, many of them in small towns. I figured here would be a different, different healthcare system, in a major city. NOPE! First emergency trip for an attack I experienced a lot of what others shared, they wanted to treat me with allergy medications. I denied multiple medications and tried a lot of doses of one that made things worse until eventually, they agreed to use my medication.


I have learned since then, to speak like an expert - as I am one! (to be fair at that time things were so new I wasn’t). Delays still happen at times when they shouldn’t with treating attacks. I do not accept drastic treatment changes from the plan my specialist has set.

That advocacy has helped me since, from asking to having certain tests done to ensuring things that should be done actually get done.


I have also learned to incorporate mental resources into my overall healthcare. With the healthcare system, many of those are outside of the public system, especially if not involving psychiatric care, but there are some, there are also some other free resources provided by the government beyond the system and work/school benefits cover some of the others.


I get to mentor med students! It’s a wonderful program that many medical schools do where people with chronic conditions teach the students how to be good doctors to people like us.


Question (8): Regarding our theme for this mental wellness month: Speaking Up And Stigma, what instances have you faced stigmatisation from individuals and society at large?


There has been a lot of issues with the assumption I am just anxious or stressed, both before and after diagnosis. There is also a lot of stigma associated with IV use. There was an internalized stigma, particularly when my symptoms weren’t severe, but the fatigue persisted. I sometimes would wonder if I was being lazy, especially when I had quit school and wasn’t working.


Question (9): Define who you are using 5 adjectives.



Stubborn, loyal, intelligent, caring

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Question (10): What interests/goals do you have if you are comfortable sharing.


I have always had an interest in science, especially medical science. : Shortly after being diagnosed I started gardening which I really enjoy. I would like to learn canning.


Question (11): What would you say to people who may be experiencing difficulties dealing with genetic conditions such as HAE?


  1. It’s a steep learning curve, but so worth it to put in the effort to learn. You will be the expert - with someone who really specializes in the condition you are the expert in how it’s affecting you. When dealing with other doctors, well, there’s a good chance you will be the expert in the details of the condition itself, even if it is something that’s more common or well-known.

  2. Connect with other patients and organizations, they will really help with the above and other things! If it’s so rare that those groups don’t exist, seek out broader using key terms like rare, an organ or system, etc. Sometimes you find the specific people within the broader communities.

  3. Take care of your mental health! Sometimes the medical is far too draining to throw in more things to manage, and that’s ok. Just take out a bit of time to destress and as things settle seek out some of the outside mental health resources. There’s typically stress, grief and sometimes trauma involved.

  4. A normal will be found! It may look very different from what you had planned. Symptoms may or may not be reduced. Things will improve though as you learn what to expect and how to work around them and you will find new normalcy.


Question (12): Is there anything else you would like to include? (resources, stories, etc)


The HAEA has some great information. If anyone has recurrent swelling episodes I would definitely encourage them to keep up with getting it investigated until diagnosed, as there is chronic histamine based swelling, MCAS, acquired angioedema (similar to HAE), etc. If people have more questions about HAE they can ask me :)



Wow, thank you SO much for your knowledge on the Hereditary Angioedema, I feel you are a wonderful educator and the way you inform others is astonishing. I've seen your work here on 7Cups and I am forever astounded by what you do for this amazing community. You inspire me to reflect on my life and realise I have to be appreciative of what I have and remember the value of being kind because you never know if someone is going through pain. I also want to thank @MynameisNicole for her hard work, especially with the interview series, a wonderful person and I cannot wait to see how we evolve as a team and a community by spreading awareness throughout the website.



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MyNameIsNicole May 22nd, 2022
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@AffyAvo thank you for this interview affy, you have given some important insights about the difficulties people face when seeking medical care, especially with rare conditions.

I am proud of you for learning during this journey, and for trying out new things until you eventually found a system that works best for you. I know the healthcare system is not the best, and I understand the added trauma and pain that can come from not getting the right care/ misdiagnosis.

Thank you once again Affy, I value your transparency about the things most people struggle to say. It has taught me that just because something isn't perfect or good- doesn't mean we shouldn't talk about it and be honest that it sucks.

@FrenchMarbles thank you for being a part of our team. I was delightfully surprised to know you've been on 7 Cups wayy back disability support was the way it is right now. I also share in your notion, I do believe that we make a brilliant team. Me, you, Affy and @wonderfulRainbow817 are the best💜

MifiHelpholic May 22nd, 2022
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@FrenchMarbles

Whoa.. Great content ..👍👍

fearlessWriter78 May 22nd, 2022
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@AffyAvo thank you so much for sharing your experiences. I did not know about HAE before now. this is a wonderful post. thank you for sharing your wisdom.

i can definitely relate to some of what you said in your responses:

"So at this point, it’s figuring out ‘normal’ again between that and issues that cascaded from that. Plus throw in COVID and connected problems like right now a healthcare system that is crumbling and processing trauma, figuring out how to interact with healthcare that has really let me down at times." - covid and "a healthcare system that is crumbling" could not be more accurate unfortunately. i'm lucky to be able to see specialists for my myriad of physical health issues that started last year (not a result of covid, happened as a result of something else), but finding a regular, decent, primary care doctor in my area (i moved back home from living out of state for a few years) has proven difficult - it's taken months and still haven't found anyone, but i'm hopeful the person i meet with late next month will be good. unfortunately i have found i can have high hopes for any medical professional based on reviews online etc and they turn out bad for whatever reason. overall the healthcare system, even mental health system right now is crumbling in my state. (i'm disabled due to mental illness so mental health professionals are important to me as well) literally all the group therapy practices in my area have long waitlists.

"There has been a lot of issues with the assumption I am just anxious or stressed, both before and after diagnosis" - yeah, i was told by medical professionals last year that all of my symptoms were a result of stress. i knew this was not that case just based on common sense... come to find out, i found multiple medical professionals this year that confirmed it was not stress, it was this other thing that caused it which i knew caused it. basically doctors not knowing enough of what was going on at the time with the situation, if this new thing could cause these symptoms etc. it's been a mess. i still haven't received all my answers but i'm learning it's a process. your advice to be your own expert is what i've tried to be for myself. i do have general anxiety and now health anxiety... fear of what i put in my body etc. because even minor things can make me feel worse. it's weird. anyway... i have just not given up meeting with person after person. but i also had to not go so crazy with it and space things out, because going to so many appointments is stressful in itself for me, so i try to just book with someone i am excited to meet with, and not just meet with someone because they happen to be available but i have doubts if they will be any good.

sending best wishes to you affy. thanks again for all your contributions to this site. <3 i greatly appreciate that the disability community here exists.
LavenderHere May 22nd, 2022
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@FrenchMarbles Nice to meet you! Thank you so much for the lovely post and interview!

@AffyAvo Here we meet again! I really appreciate you sharing your experiences and spreading awareness here. It sounds like an unimaginably difficult time with your health, handling it all, the kind of medical trauma and losing hope at times. It's real rough stuff, and I am sorry to hear about that.
But at the same time, the lovely thing I noticed is your immense strength to deal with it all. You're still fighting and spreading awareness here.(And may I say being a mentor to medical students is so noble and thoughtful?)
Thank you for all your effort and bringing to us this informative interview, and sending you lots and lots of comfy vibes, we're all here for you!
soulsings May 22nd, 2022
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Wow @AffyAvo - this is one of the most complete threads I have seen at 7cups. Great job. Thank you for sharing.

@FrenchMarbles

colorfulTurtle948 May 23rd, 2022
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@FrenchMarbles Excellent content. I really enjoyed reading the insights shared here that I probably would not be able to get anywhere else. Thanks for the interview!

May 24th, 2022
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@AffyAvo Thank you for sharing and also for all the efforts you put in to help people on cups 🧡

My gratitude would be very insufficient compared to your efforts. Still
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@FrenchMarbles Thank you for the interview :)

MistyMagic May 24th, 2022
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@FrenchMarbles @AffyAvo Thank-you for taking the time to write this very valuable resource. It is truly amazing how detailed it is and I feel I now know so much more. Thanks!

Listening - One Step At A Time!

calmMango9611 May 31st
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@FrenchMarbles @AffyAvo Nice job. I did not know, you are a mentor in real life. That is really neat, how they let someone teach Meds students, about what it means to have certain medical issues, and what they go through. I hope, with you educating them, they learn better bedside manners and they learn what HAE is and what it is not. What is helpful for them and what is not helpful. Question, do you have to undergo any special training to become a mentor for the Meds Students, at all?  Last question, do you love mentoring in general?

AffyAvo June 1st
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@calmMango9611 Hi! We were given a handbook and there was also an intro session but we weren't really given training. The handbook did cover the topic that we were going to discuss for each meeting, so I would usually take a few notes beforehand just to get my memory a bit refreshed. For example a topic was getting a diagnosis so I would start making a few notes to remind myself what I was thinking and feeling at the time.

The biggest thing they were looking for mentors was people who were open to sharing their experiences. Of course we can have boundaries and have some things that were off limits to discussing but there were some mentors, especially those with previous bad medical system experiences who weren't really comfortable talking about their experiences. A few actually left the program.

We got to meet the other mentors at the end, the med students have an art project to sum up their learning experience with an exhibit at the end (online when isolation protocols were in place). One of the mentors was a young child (with some help from her parents).

soulsings June 2nd
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@AffyAvo that wounds awesome. 

Good to hear from you. Hope you are not in a place with lots of smoke from forest fires that can make breathing difficult. 

AffyAvo June 2nd
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@soulsings Sometimes it gets bad here. This year it hasn't been too bad yet. Some smoke, but only one day with really bad air quality. We're had a decent amount of rain this spring. Fingers crossed for a summer with clean air!

soulsings June 2nd
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@AffyAvo rain always help to clear the smoke and wet the forest to make fires less likely. Hoping for the best outcome for you.